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HEARING BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED FOURTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION ON VIETNAMESE COMMANDOS WEDNESDAY, JUNE 19, 1996 Printed for the use of the Select Committee on Intelligence U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 37^33 WASHINGTON : 1997 ForsalebytheU.S.GovernmentPrintingOffice SuperintendentofDocuments,CongressionalSalesOffice,Washington,DC 20402 ISBN 0-16-054363-0 SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE [Established by S. Res. 400, 94th Cong., 2d Sess] ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania, Chairman J. ROBERT KERREY, Nebraska, Vice Chairman RICHARD G. LUGAR, Indiana JOHN GLENN, Ohio RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama RICHARD H. BRYAN, Nevada MIKE DeWINE, Ohio BOB GRAHAM, Florida JON KYL, Arizona JOHN F. KERRY, Massachusetts JAMES M. INHOFE, Oklahoma MAX BAUCUS, Montana KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON, Texas J. BENNETT JOHNSTON, Louisiana WILLIAM S. COHEN, Maine CHARLES S. ROBB, Virginia HANK BROWN, Colorado THOMASBAOBDADSOCLEH,LEK,anSsoaust,hEDxakOoftfiac,ioEx Officio Charles Battaglia, StaffDirector Christopher C. Straub, Minority StaffDirector Kathleen P. McGhee, ChiefClerk (ID CONTENTS Page Hearingheld in Washington, DC: Wednesday, June 19, 1996 1 Statement of: DeRosa, Mary, Officeofthe General Counsel, DepartmentofDefense 30 Kerrey, Hon. J. Robert, a U.S. Senatorfrom the State ofNebraska 2 Kerry, Hon. John F., a U.S. Senator from the Commonwealth ofMassa- chusetts 3 Singlaub, Major General John, USA (Ret), Former Commander, MACSOG 13 Smith, Jeffrey, General Counsel, Central IntelligenceAgency 29 Son, HaVan, Former Commando 11 Specter, Hon. Arlen, a U.S. Senator from the Commonwealth of Penn- sylvania 1 Tourison, Sedgwick, Author, "SecretArmy, SecretWar" 7 Supplemental material, letters, articles, etc.: Article, "McNamara's Covert War: The Zenith ofDeception" by Sedgwick Tourison 31 (III) VIETNAMESE COMMANDOS WEDNESDAY, JUNE 19, 1996 U.S. Senate, Select Committee on Intelligence, Washington, DC. The Select Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:08 a.m., in Room SD-106, Dirksen Senate Office Building, the Honorable Arlen Specter, Chairman ofthe Committee, presiding. Present: Senators Specter, Kerrey of Nebraska, and Kerry of Massachusetts, Robb. Also Present: Charles Battaglia, StaffDirector; Chris Straub, Mi- nority StaffDirector; Suzanne Spaulding, ChiefCounsel; and Kath- leen McGhee, ChiefClerk. Chairman SPECTER. This morning the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence will proceed to a hearing on an issue involving the United States' treatment of Vietnamese who were called upon to assist our country in the Vietnam War, in a tale which, on its face, and from all appearances is a genuinely incredible story ofcallous, inhumane, and really, barbaric treatment by the United States, if the facts which appear to be true are verified during the course of these hearings. The underlying situation involved a process which began back in 1958, when South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem asked the United States for assistance in conducting covert operations against Communist controlled areas in the north. In the course of time, approximately 500 commandos infiltrated, mostly in teams, into North Vietnam, starting in 1961 and lasting for the better part of a decade. Many were killed shortly after their entry into the process. Most were captured, according to reports which we have by North Vietnam, trie—d for treason, and then imprisoned. The reports suggest really show that the United States wrote them off systematically, crossing their names off of the ledgers, making a nominal payment of $300 for death claims to their fami- lies. Took no action during the Paris peace talks to secure their freedom, an absolutely incredible situation, if true. And then for decades has covered up these atrocities with classified documents, only recently declassified. The saga continues to this moment, when in the Court ofClaims, the United States government is denying viability on a contention that these are secret agreements and therefore are not justifiable in court. A fancy word which says you can't get relief in a court oflaw. On their face they appear to me to be enforceable obligations plus. Any concept of secrecy to condone this kind of conduct would (1) be against all tenets of public policy as I understand it in the law. And the secrecy provisions would not be enforceable. Only yesterday, after the scheduling ofthis hearing, have we had any official word from the CIA. In a letter received dated June 18, from Acting Director George Tenet, saying that our position is that their claims are not justifiable and are in fact in the wrong forum. There is a concession, quote "whether or not the mission of these commandos was a mistake is not relevant to our moral obligations to them now." It's a little hard to understand how in one paragraph the Acting Director of the CIA can talk about moral obligations and then talk about procedures to deny payment, leaving the matter for the Con- gress. And I think the Congress can handle the issue, but it is real- ly shocking to me, that the Department ofJustice, the Department of Defense and the CIA would take a position in court on a motion to dismiss that these are not valid claims. It really hardly ought to be up to the oversight Committees of Congress and the Congress itself to cure these palpable, egregious injustices. And this Committee intends to get to the bottom of it. And we are proceeding with this hearing today and whatever other follow-up hearings may be necessary to cleanse the record and purge these injustices. I now turn to our distinguished Vice Chairman, Senator Robert Kerrey. Vice Chairman Kerrey. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I must say at the outset, I don't anticipate this hearing with great pleasure. The Vietnam War was one of the most painful episodes in our nation's history. As we are going to be reminded today, it was even more painful for the Vietnamese than it was for us. Even in fighting for the freedom of Vietnamese, some Americans did things that increased their suffering. And the betrayal of these commandos appears to be such a case. Time performs a healing function by dimming the memory of pain. And when we choose to research events of the war that oc- curred 30 and more years ago we are reopening scar tissue and that hurts. If in doing so we can help right a wrong that has been done to people who took great risk for the freedom of their country, then let us do it. I am cosponsor of Senator John Kerry's bill to pay the claim of those Vietnamese operatives. In my view, the United States simply owes them the money. I did not require a hearing, however, for me to reach that conclusion. But I expect what I hear today will make me even more firm in my view that these men were badly misused. I also recognize the difficulty of assembling witnesses who can talk with authority about the events of30 years ago. Mr. Chairman, let me also publicly note that while this operation reportedly began as a CIA operation, news articles say it was hand- ed over to the Defense Department in 1964. If we allocate blame this morning for the abuse these men suffered, I hope we will bear in mind when the abuses occurred. I look forward to the witnesses. Chairman Specter. Thank you very much Senator Kerrey. We now welcome our distinguished colleague, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, who brings a special credibility to this issue. Pardon me, Senator Robb would you like to make an opening comment? Senator Robb. Mr. Chairman, I have no opening comment. I'd share the sentiments of the Chairman and the Vice Chairman of the Committee that this revelation is truly appalling and I am pleased to be a cosponsor ofthe amendment that the distinguished Senator from Massachusetts is offering and will be testifying to this morning. Chairman SPECTER. One of the background factors is that there is some suggestion that this situation is not isolated. And one real- ly wonders from time to time what is present in these classified documents. The reason for classification secrecy has long since ex- pired. And what other horrendous injustices are buried under a top secret classification, when they ought to be brought to light and restitution made ifnot more. We now turn to our distinguished colleague from Massachusetts, Senator John Kerry, who brings special credibility to this issue, not only from his service in the Senate, but from his contribution in the Vietnam War. Senator Kerry. STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE JOHN KERRY, AU.S. SENATOR FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS Senator Kerry ofMassachusetts. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. Thank you for permitting me to testify here today. And I'm pleased to be able to share in this testimony this morning with my friends Bob Kerrey and Chuck Robb, both ofwhom served with ex- traordinary distinction in Vietnam and understand exactly the meaning ofthis story that is unfolding. It is, as Bob Kerrey just said, another painful legacy of the Viet- nam War, in a sense our own bureaucratic Phoenix program. A story of hundreds of Vietnamese commandos who served us ex- traordinarily faithfully during the war. And this afternoon, as has been mentioned, I will be offering an amendment together with Senator McCain, Senator Bob Kerrey, Senator Chuck Robb, Sen- ator Bob Smith, Larry Pressler, Tom Daschle, and Pat Leahy, and others to reimburse the commandos sitting behind me and others for their years of incarceration in North Vietnamese prisons and for their years ofservice in our mutual cause in the war. Thirty years ago, as Bob Kerrey alluded to, Vietnam presented us with contradictions and questions to last a lifetime. And now once again, Vietnam proves to be the war that refuses to go away. An invisible, powerful author keeps serving up another chapterjust when we thought that the full story had been told. In many ways, this chapter is both new and old at the same time. Old, because we knew that Neil Sheehan was right when he described a "Bright Shining Lie" and new because the stark, bold, cold calculation of government influence and betrayal toward patriots stuns us in this cynical age. Old because we have learned through centuries that war is cruel and new because as Americans we never expect that we would attack or diminish our own sense of honor. The truth is we sent heroic Vietnamese commandos under our banner, on our missions, on our payroll, into North Vietnam to do our bidding, risking their lives and even their families' lives. And then we left them there, denied their existence and walked away leaving them to be imprisoned, tortured, or killed. So we are here today to right a wrong. To pay for an injustice. To seek fairness and to put to rest yet another disturbing legacy of the Vietnam War. And I think as my colleagues have said, that is not too much to ask. These are the facts. In the early days of the war, the United States and the South Vietnamese governments initiated ajoint cov- ert intelligence gathering operation against North Vietnam. South Vietnamese government officials recruited commandos from among the Vietnamese civilians and the ARVN, the Army of the Republic of Vietnam, and the United States through the CIA, and later the Defense Department, provided the training, the funding, including all salaries, allowances, bonuses, and death benefits. Together the United States and South Vietnamese officials determined where and when the commandos, who were organized into teams, would be inserted into North Vietnam. Many were dropped by parachute, but some were sent in by sea or over land. Some also conducted counterintelligence activities against North Vietnam from Laos. ARIES, the first team, was inserted in early 1961. By the early 1970s, fifty-two teams comprising approximately 500 commandos had been inserted behind enemy lines. Initially the mission was confined to intelligence gathering, but soon it was expanded to in- clude sabotage and psychological warfare. From the beginning it was clear, at least to some, those responsible, that this operation was a failure. Recently declassified Defense Department documents show that the teams were killed or captured shortly after landing. And that the CIA and the Defense Department, which took over the operation in early 1964, knew it at the time. It is now apparent that the missions were compromised. And that Hanoi ran a counterespionage operation against us and our South Vietnamese allies by forcing the commandos to radio back to us exactly what Hanoi wanted us to know and hear. The prepon- derance of evidence that has come to light in the last year leaves little doubt that the United States continued to insert South Viet- namese commandos behind enemy lines knowing full well what the outcome of those missions would be. And what the chances of suc- cess were. The Defense Department then compounded that tragedy by simply writing off the lost commandos. Drawing a line through their names as dead, apparently in order to avoid paying monthly salaries. For example, a six-man team called ATTILA was dropped into Nai Am province on April 25, 1964. The team was immediately captured. Two months later on July 16 Radio Hanoi announced the names and addresses ofthe six team members, the dates they were captured, and the start oftheir trials. Declassified Defense Depart- ment documents indicated that we knew the team had been cap- tured. Nevertheless by the beginning of 1965, the Defense Depart- ment had declared the entire team dead, and had paid very small benefits to their next ofkin. This process of declaring the commandos dead on paper was re- affirmed in 1969 by the operations officer for something called