2JULY2022 h p a r g e l e T ; 6 2 : 3 2 : 7 1 2 2 0 2 n u J . 7 2 : e t a D ; ) m m 0 0 . 0 7 2 x 0 0 . 0 3 2 ( : t a m r o F ; f d p . X X - C 1 0 0 A - 2 2 7 0 2 0 - 1 - M T M T D - C C 1 0 0 He may 1 : destroy you t n e m u The truth c o D about babies h p a r g e l e T ; 6 2 : 2 4 : 6 1 2 2 0 2 n u J . 7 2 : e t a D ; ) m m 0 0 . 0 7 2 x 0 0 . 0 3 2 ( : t a m r o F ; f d p . M T - C 2 0 0 A - 2 2 7 0 2 0 - 1 - M T M T D - C C 2 0 0 1 : t n e m u c o D 2 The Telegraph Magazine 2July 2022 h p a r g e 0 2 . 0 7 2 0 2 2 l e T ; 5 4 : 3 5 : 7 1 REGULARS FEATURES 2 2 0 2 n MY SATURDAY Anaudiencewith u J Rawonionsand authorandculture . 7 Radio4 warriorJordanPeterson 2 MIRIAM MARGOLYES MICK BROWN : e P.5 P.8 t a D ; ) m AGONY UNCLE Thedamagewroughtby m Solvingyourproblems treepoachers–andthe 0 0 RICHARD MADELEY dangersofstoppingthem . 0 P.65 LYNDSIE BOURGON 7 2 P.16 x 0 THE WAY WE 0 . 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X X - C 8 0 0 A - 2 2 7 0 2 0 - 1 - M T M T D - C C 8 0 0 1 : t n e m u c o D W henIlastmetJordanPetersonfouryearsagohe Wordsby Portraitsby wasonthecuspofwhatsomewouldcallrenown, MICK BROWN IAN PATTERSON othersnotoriety.Let’ssettleforprominence.Peter- h p son,aclinicalpsychologist,hadspentthefirstthreedecades a r ofhiscareerinrelativeobscurity,teachingattheUniversityof g e Toronto,churningoutacademicpapers,maintainingasmall l privatepracticeandproducingYouTubevideosonhisinter- e T estsinethics,theologyandmyth. ; Allthatchangedin2016whenhechallenged,onfree- 6 1 speechgrounds,aproposedCanadianlaw,C-16,whichhe : arguedwouldlegallycompelhimtousetransgenderpeople’s 2 5 I keep preferredpronouns.(Itbecamelawin2017.) : 7 WhenImethim,hehadrecentlyappearedonChannel4 1 beinginterviewedbyCathyNewman–afamouslycombative 2 encounteronsubjectsincludingthegenderpaygap,relations 2 0 betweenmenandwomen,andtheriseofidentitypolitics– 2 thatquicklywentviralandhassincehadmorethan38million n viewsonYouTube. u J Intheyearssince,Petersonhasbecomethemostvisible, . 7 outspokenandcertainlythemostpolarisingfigureinthe 2 sane by seeing : e t a D ; ) m m 0 0 . my impact on 0 7 2 x 0 0 . 0 3 2 ( : t a others’ m r o F ; ‘culturewars’betweenLeftandRight,challengingthenew f d orthodoxiesofpoliticalcorrectnessthathavepermeatedaca- p demia,education,andpoliticalandculturallife. . X Hisbook12RulesforLife:anAntidotetoChaos,hassoldmore X - thanfivemillioncopiesinEnglishandbeentranslatedinto50 C 9 otherlanguages.Throughhistalks,podcastsandvideos–his 0 ownYouTubechannelhasfivemillionsubscribers–hehas 0 A amassedadevotedarmyoffollowers,manyproclaiming,dra- - 2 matically,thathehassavedtheirlives,bringingthembackfrom 2 7 thebrinkofdepression,alienationanddespair.Hehasalsogal- 0 vanisedanarmyofcritics.Addedtowhich,in2020healmost 2 0 diedafterundergoingaprolongedand,tooutwardappearances, - 1 Depending on your viewpoint, Jordan Peterson bizarre,treatmentinwhichhewasflowntoRussiaandputinto - acomatofreehimfromphysicaldependenceonantidepres- M T isaninspiringvoiceofreason,protestingtoday’s sants,whichwasitselftheculminationof amedleyofailments M T thatboggletheimagination. D politicalcorrectnessandboostingtheconfidence - Ithasbeenaperiodthathereadilydescribesas‘insane’. C of young men, or he’s a transphobic misogynist Peterson,hiswifeandtwochildrenhavelivedinthesame 9C houseinaquiet,residentialareaofTorontoneartheuniver- 0 and white supremacist. Either way, his books sityforthepast22years.ThelasttimeIvisited,wesatina 10 are bestsellers and millions subscribe to his roomhungwithapictureofheroicSovietsoldiersinthemidst : ofabattleandamonumentalpaintingofLeninproclaiming t n YouTubelectures.Buthasarecentseriousillness SovietauthorityattheWinterPalacein1917. e m Amonghisareasofinterestisthepsychologyofauthoritar- u – and a temporary withdrawal from public life – ianstates,notablyNaziGermanyandSovietRussia.Thepaint- c o ings,heexplained, wereanaide-memoireoftheiniquities D madehimanylessofapolarisingfigure? oftotalitarianismandtheevilofartbeingsubordinatedto 2July 2022 The Telegraph Magazine 9 propaganda. He particularly relished the irony of having theculturewarsandwhichtendtoexcitetheattentionand Previouspageand boughtthemforasongoneBay:‘Themostcapitalistplatform opprobriumofhiscriticsandthemedia.Theothersideishis right:Petersonathome that’severbeeninvented!’ theoriesonhowtoleadanethicalandproductivelife,which inToronto.‘Inthis h p Butinrecenttimesthehousehasbeenrefurbishedand arewhatattracthismillionsofreaderstobuyhisbooksandlis- interview,I’mnot a thinkingIwantto r thepaintingsputinstorage.‘Theygotabitdepressing,’his tentohistalks.Manyofthemareyoungmen,whocreditPeter- g portraymyselfasa e wifeTammytellsme.Thistimewespeakinanupstairsroom, son’sadviceto‘Standupstraightwithyourshouldersback’, reasonableperson’ l filledwithFirstNationcarvings,masksandtotemobjects. ‘Tellthetruth–oratleastdon’tlie’(and–moreoddly–‘Petacat e T PetersonisanhonorarymemberoftheKwakwaka’wakw–a whenyouencounteroneonthestreet’),butabovealltostop ; PacificNorthwestCoastindigenouspeople.Thecarvingsare seeingyourselfasavictimandtakeresponsibilityforyour 6 4 byhisfriend,amastercraftsmancalledCharlesJoseph.They actions,ashavingtransformedtheirlives. : aresolargethatscaffoldinghadtobeerectedatthesideofthe 1 5 houseinordertowinchthemintotheroom.Petersonisa H : 7 complicatedman. isnewbook,BeyondOrder:12MoreRulesForLife, 1 Heis60,mediumheight,craggy-looking.Hehaslostweight dealsprimarilywiththeneedtoachieveabalance 2 sincehisillness;hisfeaturesaredrawn.Hisdefaultpostureisa betweenthecreative,anarchicspiritandtheorgan- 2 0 kindofcoiledthoughtfulness,asifthemotorsofsomesortof isingprinciple.Itincludessuchadviceas:‘Donotcarelessly 2 intellectualinnerstruggleareinperpetualmotion.Hismanner denigratesocialinstitutions’,‘Imaginewhoyoucouldbe,and n canbeadversarial,hisattentiontodetailforensic.Somebody thenaimsingle-mindedlyatthat’and‘Begratefulinspiteof u J oncedescribedarguingwithhimaslike‘throwingstonesata yoursuffering’. . 7 tank’.WatchhimbeinginterviewedonYouTubeandyoucan Itisnotablyuncontentiousonanypoliticalissue,yetitsvery 2 getthesensethatheisinwardlymarkingtheotherperson’s existenceapparentlyprovedsodistressingtosomestaffathis : argumentsforcoherence,logicandsemanticexactitude.Heis Canadianpublisher,Penguin,thattherewerereportsofpeople e t pronetoacertainfervourinhispronouncements,andhasa cryinginmeetingsattheprospectofthebookbeingpublished. a D tendencytowardstheapocalyptic.‘That’shell,’hesaysatvar- Respondingtothis,Peterson’sdaughterMikhailatweeted: ; ioustimesinourconversation,speaking,onesenses,literally. ‘Howtoimprovebusinessin2steps:Step1:identifycrying ) m ‘Hell’ishowhedescribestheillnessthatplaguedhimfor adults.Step2:fire.’ m twoyears;and‘hell’,hesays,iswhereheconfidentlybelieves Earlierthisyear,Petersonmadeaseriesofappearancesin 0 0 MichelFoucault,theFrenchintellectualwhoisoneofhis theatresandothervenuesintheUSandCanada,atwhichhe . bêtesnoire,nowresides.FoucaultwasoneofthetwoFrench sayshetalkedto150,000people.‘Allofthepeoplewhocome 0 7 ‘deconstructionist’philosophers–theotherbeingJacques tothetouraretherebecausethey’retryingtoimprove,’he 2 Derrida–whose‘postmodernandneo-Marxisttheories’Peter- says.‘Ihardlyevertalkaboutpoliticaltopics.Everysingleper- x sonsaysnowthreatennotonlyfreespeechbuttheveryfoun- sonistherebecausethey’vedecidedthey’regoingtoaimup. 0 dationsofWesterndemocracy. Andit’snotintellectuallypretentious. 0 . Derridawas‘atrickster’,Petersonsays,buthereservesa ‘Alotofpeoplehaveattackedmeforthat–I’mthestupid 0 3 specialcontemptforFoucault,‘sosmart,sobrilliant,but 2 utterlycorruptethically’.Lastyear,afellowintellectual,Guy ( His manner can be adversarial, his attention : Sorman,raisedastorminFrancebyclaimingthat,whileliving t a inTunisiainthe1960s,Foucaultsexuallyabusedyoungboys to detail forensic. Somebody once described m r inalocalgraveyard. o ‘Atthatpoint,’Petersonsays,‘you’readenizenofhell.’ arguing with him as like ‘throwing F ; TherearetwodistinctsidestoPeterson.Onesideishispolit- f stones at a tank’ d icalpronouncements,whichhaveputhiminthefrontlineof p . X person’ssmartperson.Butyouknow,I’mnotsoupsetabout X - thatdefinition.Whatarethey?Thesmartperson’ssmartper- C 0 son?AndIthoughtyouweren’telitist.Partoftheroleofan 1 intellectualistoarticulatewhatpeopleknowbutcan’tsay.In 0 A thatsense,I’mdoingmyjob.’ - 2 Peterson’sfirstbrushwithcontroversycamein2016inthe 2 7 debateoverC-16,whichruledthat‘refusingtorefertoa 0 transpersonbytheirchosennameandapersonalpronoun 2 0 thatmatchestheirgenderidentity’inaworkplaceoraschool, - 1 wouldbeconsidereddiscrimination. - PetersonarguedthatatnotimeinBritishcommonlawhis- M T toryhasthelegalcodemandatedwhatpeoplemustsay,as M T opposedtosimplywhattheymustnotsay.(Althoughheadded D - thathewouldusethegender-neutralpronounofaparticular C person,iftheyaskedhimto.)This,hesaid,wasnotabout C 0 gender,butaboutfreespeech–aprinciplethathewaspre- 1 0 paredtogotojailfor.Petersondidnotgotojail.Buttheriseof 1 genderpoliticsandtheproliferationofevermoreletters : amongwhathecalls‘thealphabetpeople’(LGBTQIA)have t n remainedasourceofconsternationandexasperation. e m Whatismoststrikingabouttherapidlyincreasingnumbers u ofteenagersandyoungadultsself-identifyingastrans,‘non- c o binary’or‘queer’isthatwhereasitwasonceyoungmenwho D wereinthemajority,itisnowincreasinglyfemaleadolescents. 10 The Telegraph Magazine 2July 2022