REDEMPTION AS METHOD PROCESS send the A4V’d bills directly to the IRS at the following address w/out the use of a notary: IRS Technical Support Division c/o Treasury UCC Contract Trust Internal Revenue Service 1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20220 The recent address that seems to be working more than others is: Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division Box 192 Covington, Kentucky 41012 The other one Internal Revenue Service Stop 4440 P.O. Box 9036 Ogden, Utah 84201 The following is a synopsis of a process that is currently working. It appears to be a mix of a Winston Shrout, HJR Bonds and Jack Smith Process that is currently en Vogue. How long will it work? ‘ Only time will tell. ***please note, that this process has a fatal flaw in it, and as such will require a patch*** Doug Rilddle on his A4V Process This is a collection of thoughts concerning Accepted for Value (AFV) or (A4V) In my opinion and until I hear something different, you use AFV on debts not purchases. If it is a debt, AFV it. If it is a purchase, stay away. Rent is a purchase, you usually put first, and last months rent upfront, so you are always prepaying, same thing with phones. You cannot go out and purchase cars, boats, homes, and food using AFV. 1 In addition- Government requirements become debts rather quickly, court order, taxes, traffic tickets etc., and in general can never be considered purchasing. With Court docs I suggest AFV both sides, even if one is blank, I've heard mention that one side is criminal and another is civil. I don't know if that is true- you want to test it and let me know, otherwise AFV both sides. Turn one side into a Money Order and if you do not know the amount- leave it blank and let the IRS determine it, or the courts. Courts I hear are banks, they should know and a few do know what to do with these but some want to give you grief. Send it to the IRS if the courts wont. The reason to send AFV to the court is often, the courts send out bench warrants, etc and you do not want to cause a bigger hassle later on. Utilities: in general, I see utilities as being quasi gov operations, their statement looks a lot like IRS statements and often highly regulated by the gov, thus can be AFV-ed. the problem lies in how long will it take? Or, if they will shut off your power, water etc. before the AFV is settled. Be creative. Maybe ask them for an estimate of what you will spend in a year- this is a quasi gov demand, so AFV the entire year. Continue to make your regular payments, until the account it balanced. Since all payments, except courts, and even courts can, go to the IRS and you never ever notify the other party of what your doing- unless it is generic and vague, like, I have settled the liability, please check your records, this may have been settled by a special gov program. Moreover, as only the IRS knows what you are doing, there will be little to no hassles from the other party. I believe the IRS agents that handle the AFVs are thrilled we are doing it. Finally, the national deficit is being removed- as I feel all AFVs is using our credit and thus eliminating an equal portion right off the top of the national deficit, every time we AFV it makes our FRN's system stronger- maybe not enough to be noticed by a bug but better then making it weaker. This, I believe, is why these special agents were hired for- to get the AFVs and settle debt accounts. We are keeping them employed so they can feed their families, they are happy that they are not thought of as some evil villain out to destroy our lives but there to help in the only way this insane system will allow. Businesses keep running, less complaints in the world, people can still continue to play, learn, work- in this world of hell that money creates. They are as close to being an angel as any devil in a satanic gov can possibly get. Just remember, all governments are against God (even the republic as it is not the kingdom of heaven), mammonism is against God and all currency is based in fraud- heaven wont use money. Thus what we are really doing when we AFV is- forgiving their sins against us, and they see it as they are forgiving our debts. Therefore, when they get AFVs they are excited and are getting overwhelmed with more and more people doing AFVs. Until you have proof that they are being vicious or mean by not doing your AFVs fast enough, remember they have a mountain of these coming in and they are doing the best they can. I think eventually, they will open more offices to handle all of these AFVs- so give them time. Protect yourself by sending in a second AFV to a different IRS address- one of the current three- just to be sure, it was not lost or overlooked. So mortgages, student loans, loans- these are all debts. I heard Shrout say in response to another- if you do not have the original bill- send a copy- if you don't have a copy, write it out on a piece of paper- just make sure all the information 2 needed is on it. What is the most important thing in all three- original, copy, and paper? YOUR signature; your exemption; your account information. If in doubt- AFV it, if it is not AFV-able they will ignore it. If you go to a car dealer, you may wind up in jail but so far, the IRS ignores UN AFV-able things. Nevertheless, do think. Can you AFV your neighbor's stuff? ANY DEBT - yes. Do they care where it comes from? No, their goal is to settle accounts. Can you write a check for your neighbor and pay that way? Yes- but do teach them- do not feed them, teach them how to farm- not how to pull up a carrot. Can corporations AFV- No - the dead and imaginary things has no method to operate a pen. Can you AFV in behalf of a corporation- yeah as long as you are alive and have a pen and paper. Does it have to be Red with blue ink- my letter stamps use black ink- it worked. I saw people using all red even for their signatures- it worked. I have done all blue and it worked. I think it is good practice to print in red and sign in blue. IF you have problems, this is one place to look, what color and how did you sign? Remember- this is my opinion. I have no idea what the IRS does or why. I make assumptions based on results. Do I know the IRS is happy when they see these- no. However, why not assume the best until you know differently? Do you know they have voodoo dolls of you with pins in them? Do you know they do this unwillingly? I assume they love it- make them happy- make them proud to be one of the good people in the IRS matrix. They are there to serve- give them commands! Also check out http://www.hjrbonds.com/callsa.php October 29 2009 Discussion on AFV http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=71797&cmd=tc I have used AFV to settle my debts with hospitals, approx 30,000 worth. I used this to settle collection demands, about 5,000 maybe less. I used this to settle ODOR Taxes and IRS taxes. Without any direct attempt by me, federal tax liens were released. Of course, that could be due to the bonds I put in place or maybe it was AFV tax related. I do not know- I don't care- it's released. How long did it take- I don't know, didn't pay attention. I noticed the phones stopped ringing within two months. However, it stopped before that but I only noticed it after two months - like- gees it has been a long time since I have been harassed.... No letters from IRS or ODOR or for that matter from the hospitals or collection agencies. What process did I use- a modified one from HJRBonds.com. Included are things I do not use, like a cover letter or affidavit - is it necessary? I often do not use these; it depends on the importance... But it is there if you feel the need. In addition, some of the HJR Bonds samples show the exemption number is SS with dashes, I think it is the SS# without dashes and the ALL CAP name uses the SS# with dashes- always- that is my opinion. 3 I treat all debts as taxes- they all go to the IRS- all- hospital bills, collection agency, state taxes- ALL goes to the IRS- no exceptions. Others use different methods- so pick your method and use it. This is what I did; you do not have to do it this way. Write this on the voucher/coupon/pay stub If there is not a voucher/coupon/bill stub to use - treat the whole letter as a voucher- and do not use the- This is a Money Order! (as does the HJR Bonds sample) Just say- Money Order (see sample) Pay to the UNITED STATE TREASURY (Write out the amount of the debt) 333.33 dollars (Spell it) three hundred thirty three and 33/100 dollars (Kind of like a check- yeah....) By: (sign your name in blue) on the lower right. and under your autograph write Authorized Representative (you can use agent or what ever. As far as that goes you only need by: or AR - you do not need both- I use both). SS# without dashes- or the methods of your choice- some use the number on the back- be consistent. Endorse the back. I may have 2 to 5 signatures on my paper work. AFV every page - if there is writing on the back- AFV over it. Endorse all MOs (sign the backs (vouchers- if you treat it like a voucher- sign it like it was a voucher- like a check) I do not have the usual monthly expenses- like garbage, water etc. so I have not tried this on that, nor do I have credit cards. I do have Comcast and have not had success in AFV-ing them as of yet. I have AFVed 40, to 50 thousands so far- I wont complain too much about Comcast. Have I called and confirmed the debt was settled? NO. Why would I? No bills, nothing on my credit report, no collection activity- why would I care? No one is asking for money. So, maybe I still owe them and they all got together the same months and all decided to play a joke on me and are just waiting to re-bill me- it's been over a year- how long do you think they will wait before saying- ZAPRIZE-A_ROONIE, you still owe us! HA! I went to us tax court and won- they wanted money and they got none, they lost jurisdiction- HA! However, knowing what I now know- I would AFV it all and save myself many headaches. AFV is so simple and easy... So is that clear? yes I sign the backs, and I have used thumb print over the last half of my last name- but not all the time. I have used both red and blue thumb print ink and even used both colors on the same AFV doc. It's all so pretty, lately it's seems to be a lot of hassle, so I haven't been doing it. If it is not a tax specific issue, I would not use the verbiage on the backs of HJRbonds.com sample just sign your name or make it payable to the company. If it is a tax matter- use it or not. I generally just endorse it with only my name. 1040V and form 56 are not necessary but they do not hurt. I also had bonds, I sometimes will put my offset bond number on it- sometimes I forget. Others do it without- so it is just a me thing. 4 The first bonds I got were from HJRbonds.com, this is the number I sometimes will use on my bonds. I also have Turner style bonds. Type in red. Sign in blue, follow the sample. The postage stamp is optional- depends on what your doing. Or how important it is. The more important the more things to consider adding. AFV at 45 degrees I don't care which way it is pointing- MO done horizontally (this type you are reading is horizontal) Do they have to be- I dunno- try it differently let us know I have used a stamp- the kind that you have to put all the little letters on a tray- in case you need to change it someday- and that of course was self inking- black and it seemed to work as well. I use the stamp for that which can not be put into the printer. Do I handwrite it out? Yes and No, depends on my mood. If I do one or two I may handwrite as it is quicker. If there are many, I use printer- sometimes Times New Roman font- or whatever, anywhere between 8 pt and 48 pt- it all depends. I want them able to read it. I have also used a handwriting font to fool them into thinking it's handwritten- I am sure I had me fooled.... And the most important of all- Pray- having God in your corner is a good thing Also consider forgiving your enemies, hating your enemies is easy, nothing good is ever easy Doug Doug Riddle on Angela Stark’s Talkshoe ID# 39904 Doug’s web site: http://privateaudio.homestead.com Dec 12, 2009 send these to certain addresses at IRS: The process is fairly simple: Accepted for value, exempt from levy Sign your name, date it, your exemption number deposit to the US Treasury for STRAWMAN NAME, STRAWMAN ACCOUNT (see example on web site) The big difference I do from others is I don’t bother sending it back to whomever sent it to me, or to the corporation. I send it to the IRS; either, the Ogden address, Covington KY address, or DC address. These people seem to know what they are doing and when I send them there, my debts are cleared. When other people send them other places we hear about frivolous penalty letters, it opens a can of worms, people get in trouble and all hell breaks loose. Send to the above 3 addresses, it goes away. There’s got to be something real about it and it’s going to people who know what they are doing. You can send a letter and kind of force/shove it down the throats of the CEOs and CFOs of the corporations. Some of them take it and some don’t’. when they don’t you’re battling all kinds of problems. It’s just a mess. 5 *******THE PATCH>>>>>> Change the Pay To: (line) on the Money Order Section of the Statement to the Creditor Receiving the Funds. +++++ADD a 1040V (fillable form off the google group, with the following A4V languaging on the left side of the form as follows: ACCEPTED FOR VALUE } RED EXEMPT FROM LEVY } ALL PAY TO: U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY } CAPS EXCLUSION ID: 123456789 } 06/10/10 } On the right side: _____________________________ AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE (all in blue, with your mark on line) <<<<<<<<<<<********** I haven’t received one frivolous penalty letter, one complaint, one knock on the door, anything, when I send them to the IRS. They don’t confirm that things are taken care of but eventually things just disappear off my credit report or they quit billing me, my phone stops ringing and it’s off my credit report. So, it’s being taken care of. 5:17: recently I got a credit report, actually two because I was challenging something in this last month. The first one I sent showed that World Assets Purchasing Corporation Collection Company had me marked down as owing $1700. within 6 days, it showed up I owed nothing and it says on the credit report that it has been paid. This stuff is working 6:00 the big difference I see is that CFO’s and CEO’s don’t have the responsibility to discharge debt dollar for dollar and the treasury department does under these statutes such as public law 73-10, code 31-sect 5118, these are all directed to the government responsibility, not the corporate responsibility. Angela, clarify what you write on the presentment: Doug: when you get a bill (presentment), statement of account; you have the statement area and the voucher area; the voucher is where you cut, clip and send that portion with your payment. Technically with debt, with monthly payments, those are checks and you are paying the company twice. If they know how to use and monetize these, they are being paid twice. They may know this or not. It’s hard to say if the secret from 1933 was passed on. I call this the voucher, coupon, bill of exchange, this is part you tear off and send with your payment. We say this is a money order and sign it. With non-IRS issues I put the full money order verbiage down and that is: 6 Pay to the United States treasury and then write the numbers in and spell the numbers out like you would on a check, and then by: and sign your name in blue, authorized representative, and your social security number without dashes. Everything is in red, the signature in blue. I’ve seen it work where it’s all been in red, and when it’s all been in blue, but I think it stays firm if you make an effort to write most in red, and sign in blue; that way, it’s a constant reminder what goes where and what do you need. The money order is basic and simple. Angela: when it goes to the IRS you say on the money order, pay to the United States treasury. Aren’t they all going to the IRS? Doug: Yes, but the IRS is the accounting section of the US Treasury and they are the ones that do the collecting and pay out in behalf. I make it payable to the Treasury and not the IRS. I don’t deposit anything to the IRS; it’s all deposited to or payable to the treasury depending on whether you are making an accepted for value or a money order. Angela, if you are sending a debt collection agency or credit card presentment to the IRS, you still make them out to the Treasury; Doug: always to the treasury, whether it’s tax collection, credit card, court, or anything else. Make it to the treasury and mail it to the IRS. Endorse the back of the money order/voucher in the same area you would if it were a check. If there is no voucher on a statement, such as a collection agency letter, with the amount and information, with account number, treat the whole letter/presentment as though it was a voucher. So you put the A4V in red at a 45-degree angle, sign in blue and put your money order on there somewhere that it can be read. If it’s very busy, with a lot of words, numbers, then I make my writing bigger. If they can’t read it in a small area where they can read it, in no less than 8-point font, and no more than 10-point font, then I will use larger type and character sizes. If it can’t be easily seen, make it big so it’s easy to read. Angela: it’s okay to hand write it, isn’t it? Doug, yes a lot of people think it’s better to handwrite if yours is legible. I use the computer and they do just fine; others use handwriting and they do just fine. In fact I’ve seen some people make up a rubber stamp and use a red ink pad. There’s no specific or better way. Some people thought handwriting went quicker and I’m not sure that’s true. I think there was a lull at IRS and they could keep up with the paper work. They both work. I leave the voucher and the statement together. Some people say you can tear them apart or cut them apart and staple it together and send to IRS. I leave it intact; it makes more work for me, and I want more work for them. Angela, if I want to eliminate a credit card debt, would I send all pages, even the advertisements? Doug, you can probably throw the advertisements away because they don’t serve a useful purpose. But if you have multiple pages do A4V on every page; I’ll also do it on the back if there is any writing on the back. You only need to do the money order on the voucher and endorse the back of it; you don’t need to do a money order on every single page. 7 Angela: what is the verbiage for the statement portion of the bill? Doug: I write A4V, exempt from levy, sign and date in blue, exemption ID # which is your SSN without dashes, deposit TO treasury and charge to ALL CAPS NAME, and your SSN with dashes. Do you put authorized representative? Doug, I have in a number of instances, it won’t harm, but I don’t think it’s necessary; you’re signature is what is important on there and the rest is giving them direction. I wonder if we need that much, and I’m not willing to check it out yet; I have heard they monetize your signature, so may only need to just sign the thing. Some people say you only need to send the one page on there that has the money on there and do the A4V, signature. I do all the pages. Angela: on one of my credit cards there are a couple of pages, with the names of the stores, what you bought. I don’t want to send all that information with the statement and the voucher. Could I leave that part off? Doug: I don’t know; you may not want some of them to know how you are spending your funds, it’s not necessarily for their eyes. Experiment and see if they will accept one page or try to make a copy and black out what you don’t want them to see, but leave the totals there. They should at least see the totals so they know what they are attempting to do. 19:19: Q: I have an IRS issue; is it better to use the A4V or the money order? Doug: you use both and you always use both. The difference is that you will use the money order one time and you may use the A4V, depending on the number of pages and sides, multiple times. Money order goes on the coupon. If there’s anything written on the back pages then A4V that back page. Q: last year I sent it to KS City because it was the address on the document. Doug, don’t send it to Kansas City; they don’t know what you are doing and they might send a frivolous penalty letter. Q:;; it’s for taxes in 2000 and I thought this had worked in the past but I got the presentment again. Doug, send it to Ogden, Covington, or DC. If Kansas City keeps writing and threatening to levy, when you think you can have fun with this, then file form 843, which is abatement and refund. The idea is to let the agent be aware that you have settled the accounts; never use the word paid, because we can’t pay with anything. Use the words settle or settlement; tell the agent it has already been settled and this is how much you, agent, owe me in refund. I wouldn’t expect a refund, but you can have fun with this. you can tell them you didn’t pay them because you didn’t think they were smart enough, or you didn’t trust them or whatever. Just have some fun with it. Be as bold as you like with this; praise Ogden to that KS agent and say they get the job done, they listen, they understand. You sent your settlement and it should be taken care of. Q: I get one of these letters every year (Always for the same year). Doug, do the A4V and the money and send to one of the 3 addresses. One isn’t better than another, it’s just who is busier. HJRbonds was sending everyone to Ogden and those were going slowly. 8 Then they recommended Washington DC. So then I switched to Ogden. It doesn’t matter where you send it among the 3. Q: when you do credit cards, 2nd mortgages, do we send those to one of the 3? Doug, yes, to one of the 3 and always to the IRS. One thing about the IRS, you don’t need to do this full money order on their presentments. You can just write: “this is a money order” on the voucher. The amount is written in and that’s good to go. You don’t have to sign it, your signature is already on the A4V part of it. You would also still endorse the back. Q: what if you only send the coupon? Doug: I don’t know. In the beginning when they started doing the A4V, they put the A4V and the money order on the voucher. You could try that system and put the A4V on voucher, and write, “this is a money order,” and endorse the back. I don’t know what will happen, but this should work. Q: could you go into how to address the mail….registered, certified; I think it’s the little things that we don’t figure out. Have you done UCC1s, bonds, etc? Doug, you don’t need to do any UCC1s or bonds before you do this. it’s a good idea to have them, but you don’t need to send them. As far as mailing, I just put it in an envelope and mail it to them; I don’t send it to any special individual or department. To Ogden, I just put their address, etc. 40:01: Doug, this is working for me. Some people don’t follow directions and send it to the wrong address, like KS or Fresno. Send it to one of the 3 I’ve stated in here but for now these others don’t know. Q: on your payoff on property taxes or mortgage payments, would you get the total payoff and send it in? Doug, that would be the best. What I have heard people do, if they don’t know what the pay off is such as on a court case, do the money order and leave it blank. If you know or can get the pay off amount that is better and quicker. Q: you don’t have to send in your birth certificate, your bond, your social security card? Doug, you already have the Social Security set up. Some people use the number on the backside of the SS card when they fill these out. A4V and money orders. I might add these numbers, but I always use the numbers on the front. Q: A4V should be a legitimate process—why is it so hard to find the exact information. We can find our how to write a check or a mortgage. My second question is where do those who know how to process this learn these things so we can research that? How important are the colors of ink and the angles. When I go to the bank and the teller stamps something, I don’t see her calculating right angles, she just sort of stamps it on. Last question, do you know of any of this information regarding the Canadian side. Doug, this is why I am doing these calls—this is my 5th call. Information like this isn’t readily available because of greed. If you don’t know how to do this, they have more control over you. If you knew what to do then you would have more freedom and it scares some people. 9 Angela: once you understand the money system, they don’t make that information readily available. You have to get bankers’ manuals. There’s a lot of literature where you can read about the money. That’s where you will resolve this. read the UCC code; your signature is gold. Theoretically the good guys have this information, what do we think the bad guys would do? how is it processed: Doug, they only know how to process at these 3 IRS locations. Q: how important are the colors of ink and the angles. Doug, I don’t know, I’ve done it in all blue and some have done in all red and no problem getting it through. I wouldn’t use black because it’s tough to tell if it’s original. Does it have to be exactly 45 degrees? No. Does it have to be at an angle? Probably, that is part of the banker’s acceptance. You might try with no angle, just try it. Q: do you know how this relates to the Canadian side? Doug, no I don’t . the statutes like HJR192, Public law 73-10 and title 31, sect 5118, say all debts, private and public; it doesn’t say all debts where, just all debts. Canada has a fiat currency also. So al long as you have an identification number that you have can draw on an account in the Canadian system. 50:01: Q: the A4V when you say you mark the page and the backside, is that all? Doug, no it’s A4V, Exempt from levy, sign and date, exemption ID (your SSN without dashes) deposit to the Treasury, charge to the ALL CAPS NAME, with you SS # with dashes. Q: do you actually write money order on the money order section? Doug: Yes. Q: if there’s an amount on the pay stub do you still need to write it out? Doug, typically I don’t. If there’s a box and I put the amount in, write Money Order, Pay to the US Treasury, by and sign my name, authorized representative, SSN without dashes and the date. I don’t see a reason there to double down on all the writing. Keep it simple. Q: if you have a statement with the figure on the statement, do I circle the number? Doug, if it looks like it is difficult to find, then that’s a good idea. You could highlight it, if it’s in an area with total, that’s fine. Q: if I own an LLC and have some business debt and get statements I can’t pay out of my normal cash flow, is it possible to pay off for other corporations? Doug, I haven’t tried this and I’d say yes. You can’t use your EIN, corporation number because corporations are not living beings, but you can use your SS# to offset for the corporation for someone else’s debt. You can write a check to pay someone else’s bill. The main thing is they want someone’s signature. Q: what about with a local bank on a business loan. Doug, I‘d say yes, as long as it’s a debt and not a purchase. I don’t know if it matters if it’s a state bank, chartered bank. As long as it’s a public debt, I can make an assumption based on the experiences I have had. 10