PSYCHOANALYTIC CONVERSATIONS Copyrighted Material ,\"" \ Was Freud's core identity that of a natural scientist? Freud's draw ing of the spinal ganglia of Ammocoetes (Petromyzon planeri), a prim itive form offish, for his 1878 monograph on the subject is adduced in support of this thesis by Frank J. Sulloway during his conversa tion with Peter L. Rudnytsky. Copyrighted Material I PSYCHOANALYTIC CONVERSATIONS ~ Interviews with Clinicians, Commentators, and Critics Peter L. Rudnytsky ~ THE ANALYTIC PRESS 2000 Hillsdale, NJ London Copyrighted Material © 2000 by The Analytic Press All rights reserved. No part of this book may be reproduced in any form: by photostat, microform, electronic retrieval system, or any other means, without the prior written permission of the publisher. Published by The Analytic Press, Inc. Editorial Offices: 101 West Street, Hillsdale, NJ 07642 library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data Rudnytsky, Peter L. Psychoanalytic conversations interviews with clinicians, commentators, and critics / Peter L. Rudnytsky. p. ; cm. Includes index. ISBN 0-88163-328-3 1. Psychoanalytic interpretation- Case studies. 2. Psychoanalysts Interviews. 3. Psychoanalysts- Psychology. I. Title. [DNLM: 1. Psychoanalytic Therapy- Interview. 2. Psychoanalytic Theory-I nterview. WM 460.6 R916p 2000] RC506 .R835 2000 616.89'17-dc21 00-063985 Printed in the United States of America 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Copyrighted Material To Peter Greenleaf "Each man I meet is my superior in some way. In that I learn from him." -Emerson Copyrighted Material Also by Peter L. Rudnytsky Reading Psychoanalysis: Freud, Rank, Ferenczi, Groddeck (2001). Psychoanalyses / Feminisms (2000) (ed. with Andrew M. Gordon). Ferenczi's Turn in Psychoanalysis (1996) (ed. with Antal B6kay and Patrizia Giampieri-Deutsch). Freud and Forbidden Knowledge (1994) (ed. with Ellen Handler Spitz). Transitional Objects and Potential Spaces: Literary Uses of D. W. Winnicott (1993) (ed.). The Psychoanalytic Vocation: Rank, Winnicott, and the Legacy of Freud (1991). Contending Kingdoms: Historical, Psychological, and Feminist Approaches to the Literature of Sixteenth-Century England and France (1990) (ed. with Marie-Rose Logan). The Persistence of Myth: Psychoanalytic and Structuralist Perspectives (1988) (ed.). Ivan L. Rudnytsky, Essays in Modern Ukrainian History (1987) (ed.). Freud and Oedipus (1987). Copyrighted Material Biographical Notes The late MARY SALTER AINSWORTH taught psychology at The Johns Hopkins University and the University of Virginia. She was the author of Infancy in Uganda (1967) and Patterns of Attachment (1978), and con tributed two chapters to the revised edition of John Bowlby's Child Care and the Growth of Love (1965). Professor Ainsworth introduced the con cept of the secure base and developed the Strange Situation Procedure, an experimental method to test the strength and style of infants' attach ments to their primary caregiver. The late ENID BALINT was a training and supervising analyst in the British Psycho-Analytical Society. Her papers are collected in Before I Was I (1993). JESSICA BENJAMIN is an analyst in private practice in New York City. She is on the faculties of the New York University Postdoctoral Program in Psychotherapy and Psychoanalysis and the New School of Social Research. She is the author of The Bonds of Love (1988), Like Subjects, Love Objects (1995), and Shadow of the Other (1998). PETER D. KRAMER is associate clinical professor of psychiatry at Brown University and has a private practice in Providence. He is the author of Moments of Engagement (1989), Listening to Prozac (1993), and Should You Leave? (1997). Dr. Kramer writes a monthly column for Psychiatric Times. PETER LOMAS worked in general medicine and psychiatry before train ing at the Institute of Psychoanalysis in London. He practices in Cambridge, England, and now prefers to call himself a psychotherapist. He is the author of True and False Experience (1973), The Limits of Interpretation (1987), Cultivating Intuition (1993), Personal Disorder and the Family (1998), and The Psychotherapy of Everyday Life (1993), a revised edi tion of The Case for a Personal Psychotherapy (1981). STEPHEN A. MITCHELL is founding editor of Psychoanalytic Dialogues, a training and supervising analyst at the William Alanson White vii Copyrighted Material VIII. Biographical Notes Institute, and on the faculty of the New York University Postdoctoral Program in Psychotherapy and Psychoanalysis. He is the author of Object Relations in Psychoanalytic Theory (1983, with Jay Greenberg), Relational Concepts in Psychoanalysis (1988), Hope and Dread in Psychoanalysis (1993), Psychoanalysis and Beyond (1995, with Margaret J. Black), Influence and Autonomy in Psychoanalysis (1997), Relationality: From Attachment to Intersubjectivity. The late CHARLES RYCROFT, a Fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, practiced psychoanalysis in London. His books include Imagination and Reality (1968), The Innocence of Dreams (1979), Psychoanalysis and Beyond (1985), Viewpoints (1991), and A Critical Dictionary of Psychoanalysis (1968), a revised edition of which appeared in 1995. ROY SCHAFER is a training and supervising analyst at the Columbia University Center for Psychoanalytic Training and Research and was the first Freud Memorial Professor at University College, London. His books include Aspects of Internalization (1968), A New Language for Psychoanalysis (1976), The Analytic Attitude (1983), Retelling a Life (1992), and Tradition and Change in Psychoanalysis (1997). FRANK J. SULLOWAY is a research scholar at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a former MacArthur Fellow. He is the author of Freud, Biologist of the Mind (1979) and Born to Rebel (1996). PETER J. SWALES, an erstwhile associate of the Rolling Stones, is an independent scholar living in New York City. He is the author of influ ential essays reappraising Freud's relationships with his wife, sister-in law, and Wilhelm Fliess, tracing the sources of Freud's ideas, and identifying several of his early patients. Copyrighted Material Contents Preface XI Acknowledgments XV Enid Balint The Broken Couch Mary Salter Ainsworth 27 The Personal Origins of Attachment Theory Peter Lomas 51 An Independent Streak Charles Rycroft 63 A Science of the Mind Peter D. Kramer 81 The Communication of Perspectives Stephen A. Mitchell 101 Between Philosophy and Politics Frank J. Sulloway 137 On Darwin and Freud Roy Schafer 211 This 15 My Calling Jessica Benjamin 233 Reparative Projects Peter J. Swales 275 Sovereign unto Myself Index 347 ix Copyrighted Material