NFPA Technical Committee on Fire Department Apparatus NFPA 1911 Standard for the Inspection, Maintenance, Testing, and Retirement of In- Service Automotive Fire Apparatus First Draft Meeting Agenda May13th and 14th, 2015 San Antonio, TX I. Welcome and call to order by Chairman Frazeur II. Introductions- members and guests III. Review and accept minutes from the February 2015 meeting IV. NFPA update and purpose of meeting – Ken Holland, Staff Liaison V. Act on public inputs/first revision development VI. Other business- Old and New VII. Next Meeting- Second Draft Meeting for NFPA 1911 NFPA Technical Committee on Fire Department Apparatus NFPA 1912 Second Draft Meeting Minutes February 12, 2015 Conference Call/Adobe Connect Attendees: Frazeur, Donald (Chair) Lackore, Roger Juneau, James Chestnut, Wesley Mettler, Tom McKenzie, Dan Cranfill, Jeff Peters, William Pope, Gary Dorio, Ralph Piechura, Jeff Rice, Ed Durstine, David Salmi, James Shivers, Jason Fenwick, Clayton Stalnaker, Thomas Yohn, William Haider, Mark Terefinko, John Ryan Depew (NFPA) Haston, David Insley, Doug Ken Holland (NFPA) November 4, 2014  Meeting to Order at 10:00am EST  Roll Call for Attendees and Guests  Remarks from the Chair  Review Purpose of Meeting  The Committee Created Second Revisions for NFPA 1912 o Committee members, see forthcoming ballot for suggested changes to text o Non committee members, see ballot results and Second Draft Report when available (www.nfpa.org/1912next)  Discussion on NFPA Staff Liaison Changes  NFPA 1911 First Draft Meeting o Needs to occur prior to 6/15/15 o Approximately 70 Public Inputs o 2 day meeting o Staff will look into Portland, OR and Denver, CO for week of May 4th o Staff will look into Harrisburg, PA for May 13-14, 2015  Meeting Adjourned 11:05 EST National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara... Public Input No. 75-NFPA 1911-2014 [ Section No. 1.1.1 ] 1.1.1 This standard defines the minimum requirements for establishing an inspection, maintenance, and testing program for in-service fire apparatusemergency response vehicles. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input this standard is already being used for inspection and maintenance of other emergency response vehicles such as ambulance, command vehicles and special operation vehicles. The need to include at least ambulances is apparent so we might as well include all other ERVs. Since NFPA has written an ambulance standard 1917 it would stand to reason to include them in this standard. Related Public Inputs for This Document Related Input Relationship Public Input No. 76-NFPA 1911-2014 [Section No. 1.2.1] Public Input No. 77-NFPA 1911-2014 [New Section after 3.3.136] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name:Stephen Wilde Organization: Certified Fleet Services, Inc. Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Nov 24 15:35:29 EST 2014 1 of 86 4/21/2015 10:58 AM National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara... Public Input No. 76-NFPA 1911-2014 [ Section No. 1.2.1 ] 1.2.1 The primary purpose of this standard is to provide requirements for an inspection, maintenance, and testing program that will ensure that in-service fire apparatus emergency response vehicles are serviced and maintained to keep them in safe operating condition and ready for response at all times. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input this standard is already being used for inspection and maintenance of other emergency response vehicles such as ambulance, command vehicles and special operation vehicles. The need to include at least ambulances is apparent so we might as well include all other ERVs. Since NFPA has written an ambulance standard 1917 it would stand to reason to include them in this standard. Related Public Inputs for This Document Related Input Relationship Public Input No. 75-NFPA 1911-2014 [Section No. 1.1.1] Public Input No. 77-NFPA 1911-2014 [New Section after 3.3.136] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name:Stephen Wilde Organization: Certified Fleet Services, Inc. Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Mon Nov 24 15:43:03 EST 2014 2 of 86 4/21/2015 10:58 AM National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara... Public Input No. 58-NFPA 1911-2014 [ Chapter 2 ] Chapter 2 Referenced Publications 2.1 General. The documents or portions thereof listed in this chapter are referenced within this standard and shall be considered part of the requirements of this document. 2.2 NFPA Publications. National Fire Protection Association, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471. NFPA 1071, Standard for Emergency Vehicle Technician Professional Qualifications, 2011 edition 2016 . NFPA 1901, Standard for Automotive Fire Apparatus, 2009 edition 2016 . NFPA 1989, Standard on Breathing Air Quality for Emergency Services Respiratory Protection, 2008 edition 2013 . 2.3 Other Publications. 2.3.1 ASME Publications. American Society of Mechanical Engineers, Three Park ASME Internatioanl, Two Park Avenue, New York, NY 10016-5990. ASME B40.100, Pressure Gauges and Gauge Attachments, 2005 2013. 2.3.2 ASNT Publications. American Society for Nondestructive Testing, Inc., 1711 Arlingate Lane, Columbus, OH 43228-0518. ASNT CP-189, Standard for Qualification and Certification of Nondestructive Testing Personnel, 2001 2011. 3 of 86 4/21/2015 10:58 AM National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara... 2.3.3 ASTM Publications. ASTM International, 100 Barr Harbor Drive, P.O. Box C700, West Conshohocken, PA 19428-2959. ASTM B 647, Standard Test Method for Indentation Hardness of Aluminum Alloys by Means of a Webster Hardness Gage, 1984 (reconfirmed 2006) 2010. ASTM B 648, Standard Test Method for Indentation Hardness of Aluminum Alloys by Means of a Barcol Impressor, 1978 (reconfirmed 2006) 2010. ASTM E 6, Standard Terminology Relating to Methods of Mechanical Testing, 2006 2011 e1. ASTM E 10, Standard Test Method for Brinell Hardness of Metallic Materials, 2001 2012. ASTM E 18, Standard Test Methods for Rockwell Hardness and Rockwell Superficial Hardness of Metallic Materials, 2005 2014. ASTM E 92, Standard Test Method for Vickers Hardness of Metallic Materials, 1982 (reconfirmed 2003).ASTM E 114, Standard Practice for Ultrasonic Pulse-Echo Straight-Beam Examination by the Contact Method, 1995 (reconfirmed 2005) 2010. ASTM E 165/E165M, Standard Test Method for Liquid Penetrant Examination, 2002 2012. ASTM E 384, Standard Test Method for Knoop and Vickers Hardness of Materials, 2011 e1. ASTM E 569E569M, Standard Practice for Acoustic Emission Monitoring of Structures During Controlled Stimulation, 2002 2013. ASTM E 650/E650M, Standard Guide for Mounting Piezoelectric Acoustic Emission Sensors, 1997 (reconfirmed 2002) 2012. ASTM E 709, Standard Guide for Magnetic Particle Examination, 2001 2014. ASTM E 797/E797M, Standard Practice for Measuring Thickness by Manual Ultrasonic Pulse-Echo Contact Method, 2005 2010. ASTM E 1004, Standard Practice for Determining Electrical Conductivity Using the Electromagnetic (Eddy- Current) Method, 2002 2009. ASTM E 1220, Standard Test Method for Visible Penetrant Examination Using the Solvent-Removable Process, 2005 2010. ASTM E 1316, Standard Terminology for Nondestructive Testing, 2006 2013. ASTM E 1418, Standard Test Method for Visible Penetrant Examination Using the Water-Washable Process, 2005 2010. 2.3.4 AWS Publications. American Welding Society, 550 N.W. LeJeune Road, 8669 NW 36 Street, #130, Miami, FL 3312633166-6672. AWS B1.10/B 1.10M, Guide for the Nondestructive Examination of Welds, 1999 2009. AWS D1.1/D1.1M, Structural Welding Code — Steel, 2005 2011. AWS D1.2/D1.2M, Structural Welding Code — Aluminum, 2003 2014. 2.3.5 ISO Publications. International Organization for Standardization, 1 rue de Varembé, Case postale 56, CH-1211 Genève 20, Switzerland. ISO/IEC 17020, Conformity Assessment - General criteria for the operation of various types of bodies performing inspection, 1998 2012. 2.3.6 SAE Publications. Society of Automotive EngineersSAE International, 400 Commonwealth Drive, Warrendale, PA 15096. SAE J959, Lifting Crane, Wire-Rope Strength Factors, 1991, (withdrawn 2012). 2.3.7 U.S. Government Publications. U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, DC 20402. Title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 399.211, Appendix G, “Minimum Periodic Inspection Standards,” 1988 2013. 4 of 86 4/21/2015 10:58 AM National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara... 2.3.8 Other Publications. Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition, Merriam-Webster, Inc., Springfield, MA, 2003. 2.4 References for Extracts in Mandatory Sections. ® ® NFPA 70 , National Electrical Code ,2011 edition 2014. NFPA 99, Health Care Facilities Code,2012 edition 2015. NFPA 414, Standard for Aircraft Rescue and Fire-Fighting Vehicles, 2012 edition. NFPA 1451, Standard for a Fire Service Vehicle Operations Training Program,2007 edition 2013. NFPA 1901, Standard for Automotive Fire Apparatus,2009 edition 2016. NFPA 1912, Standard for Fire Apparatus Refurbishing,2011 edition 2016. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input Referenced current organization names, addresses, and editions. Related Public Inputs for This Document Related Input Relationship Public Input No. 59-NFPA 1911-2014 [Chapter E] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name:Aaron Adamczyk Organization: [ Not Specified ] Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Tue Jun 24 01:38:32 EDT 2014 5 of 86 4/21/2015 10:58 AM National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara... Public Input No. 62-NFPA 1911-2014 [ Section No. 2.3.1 ] 2.3.1 ASME Publications. American Society of Mechanical Engineers, Three Park Avenue, New York, NY 10016-5990. ASME B40.100, Pressure Gauges and Gauge Attachments, 2005. ASME B30.5, Mobile and Locomotive Cranes, 2004. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input Another public input suggests deleting SAE Publications. This public input replaces SAE J959 with a newer and more comprehensive ASME document to handle what was previously handled by the SAE publication. Related Public Inputs for This Document Related Input Relationship Public Input No. 63-NFPA 1911-2014 [Section No. 2.3.6] Public Input No. 64-NFPA 1911-2014 [Section No. 19.8.6.14] Public Input No. 65-NFPA 1911-2014 [Section No. 19.9.9.5] Public Input No. 66-NFPA 1911-2014 [New Section after 19.8.6.14] Public Input No. 67-NFPA 1911-2014 [New Section after 19.9.9.5] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name:Thomas Wood Organization: Boca Raton Fire Rescue Service Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Fri Sep 05 15:32:15 EDT 2014 6 of 86 4/21/2015 10:58 AM National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara... Public Input No. 63-NFPA 1911-2014 [ Section No. 2.3.6 ] 2.3.6 SAE Publications. Society of Automotive Engineers, 400 Commonwealth Drive, Warrendale, PA 15096. SAE J959, Lifting Crane, Wire-Rope Strength Factors, 1991. Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input Delete this section. Public Comment 62 proposes to add a more up to date ASME document to accomplish what was previously done with the one and only SAE document. This older document will no longer be needed. Related Public Inputs for This Document Related Input Relationship Public Input No. 62-NFPA 1911-2014 Public Input No. 62 provides the document that replaces the [Section No. 2.3.1] one to be deleted in Public Input No.63. Public Input No. 64-NFPA 1911-2014 [Section No. 19.8.6.14] Public Input No. 65-NFPA 1911-2014 [Section No. 19.9.9.5] Public Input No. 66-NFPA 1911-2014 [New Section after 19.8.6.14] Public Input No. 67-NFPA 1911-2014 [New Section after 19.9.9.5] Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name:Thomas Wood Organization: Boca Raton Fire Rescue Service Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Fri Sep 05 15:39:51 EDT 2014 7 of 86 4/21/2015 10:58 AM National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentPara... Public Input No. 68-NFPA 1911-2014 [ New Section after 3.3 ] Tensiometer Tensiometer - a device for measuring tension (as of structural material). Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input Public Inputs 66 and 67 require the use of a tensiometer. I suggest adding the Merriam-Webster definition of a tensiometer to definitions, as many users may not be familiar with the terminology. Related Public Inputs for This Document Related Input Relationship Public Input No. 66-NFPA 1911-2014 [New Section after The terminology is used in this new proposed 19.8.6.14] section. Public Input No. 67-NFPA 1911-2014 [New Section after The terminology is used in this new proposed 19.9.9.5] section. Submitter Information Verification Submitter Full Name:Thomas Wood Organization: Boca Raton Fire Rescue Service Street Address: City: State: Zip: Submittal Date: Fri Sep 05 16:21:50 EDT 2014 8 of 86 4/21/2015 10:58 AM