Nancy Evans Research by John C. Hughes, Lori Larson, Dick Allen, Bob Johnson, Miriam Bausch and Gerry Alexander Interviews by John C. Hughes Transcripti on by Lori Larson and John C. Hughes John C. Hughes: The Legacy Project is with Nancy Evans, who was Washington’s fi rst lady from 1965-1977. Twelve years. Longer than any other fi rst lady. Nancy Evans: Well, Evelyn L anglie was also fi rst lady for 12 years, but her husband’s terms were non-consecuti ve. (1941-1945; 1949-1957) Hughes: So you’re ti ed for fi rst lady tenure. I’d forgott en that Arthur L anglie served three terms. He was defeated for re-electi on by U.S. Senator Mon W allgren, but made a comeback to beat Wallgren in 1948. Then he beat Evans family collecti on Congressman Hugh M itchell in 1952. Langlie was 40 when he was fi rst elected – the youngest governor in state history unti l a guy named Dan Evans came along in 1964. Evans: That’s right. Hughes: Let’s see if I can pass the Math WASL here: You were 31 years and 10 months old when Dan took offi ce? Evans: We went (into offi ce) in January of 1965 and my birthday is in March, so, yes, that’s right. Hughes: And Dan was 39. He’s 7 years and 5 months older than you. A lot older. Evans: Yes. (laughs) 2 Hughes: Adele F erguson, The Bremerton Sun’s legendary capitol correspondent, told me there are three things you should never ask a woman: her weight, her age and her salary. But I’m duty bound to ask you when you were born. Evans: In S pokane on March 21, 1933. It was the fi rst day of spring. And my father came home to make the announcement to my three siblings. They were seven, nine, and 12 years older – M ary, Bill B ell Jr. and B arbara. They were anxiously waiti ng to know if it was a boy or a girl. He told them that it was a girl, and my brother was very disappointed. Then my father said, “And we’re going to name her Vernal Equinoxia Bell.” And they all said, “Oh, Dad, you Baby Nancy with a teddy bear. Evans family album can’t do that!” Well, of course, he was joking. He had a wonderful sense of humor. “We’re going to call her ‘Vernie’ for short,” he said. Hughes: In the Time magazine arti cle in 1968 when Dan was on the cover as the keynoter at the R epublican Nati onal Conventi on, it says that your dad wanted to name you that, but your mom “dissuaded” him. But it was just a joke? Evans: Oh yes, totally. Hughes: You’re Nancy Ann Bell, right? Evans: Ah, yes. When I was born, my mother named me Elizabeth Ann Bell. And the obstetrician, Dr. Mary R odney, who delivered me, said to Mother and Daddy, “Well, she doesn’t look like an Elizabeth to me. She looks like a Nancy.” And that’s what she wrote on the birth certi fi cate. So my bapti sm certi fi cate says Elizabeth Ann Bell, and my birth Nancy in her baby buggy in 1933. Evans family album 3 certi fi cate says Nancy Ann Bell, which I always went by. Hughes: Much bett er than Vernal Equinoxia. Evans: Yes! (laughing) Hughes: Tell us about your dad. Evans: W illiam Lawrence Bell. He came from an interesti ng family. They were from B radford, Pennsylvania. I have books on the whole history of his family going back to the seventeen-, eighteen-hundreds. It was one of those old traditi onal Eastern situati ons that if you were a boy you went to P rinceton and if you were a girl you went to V assar. So his sisters went to Vassar and the brothers to Princeton. But he decided he wanted to go West. I think he wanted to sort of leave that Eastern culture. He went to S tanford when Stanford was just a fl edgling school – Leland S tanford Jr. University way out in P alo Alto. He was in one of the fi rst classes, as was Herbert Hoover, another future mining engineer. I think my father was in the Class of 1898. He was only 16 or 17 when he went out West to school. Their yearbook, which was only a quarter of an inch thick at that ti me, featured the class yell: “Ra-ra-ra, ra-ra-ree, nine-teen hundred cen-tur-y!” Hughes: I love that kind of stuff . Stanford back then really was sti ll on “The Farm.” That’s its nickname. Evans: Yes, “The Farm.” My father took German and engineering – mining engineering. And when he graduated they asked him to stay and be a professor in German, despite his youth. He was a very smart person. But he wanted to be an engineer. His father was a business person. Hughes: What was your paternal grandfather’s name? Evans: William W eldon Bell. He was one of those people who made a million, lost a million, made a million, and so on. He was from P ennsylvania. His father had sent him off to N ew York to work in a bank. He was a cashier at age 16. Within 10 years, he was president. Grandpa Bell was president of the bank for many years but he had other investments as well, including rubber plantati ons in P eru. So my father went down to Peru and spent a great deal of ti me there building roads to get to the plantati ons, hiring nati ve workers. Hughes: So your father’s family was well-to-do? 4 Evans: Yes, but my f ather was doing all these wonderful, exoti c sorts of things. He spent a lot of ti me down in M exico as well. This is all before he met my mother. We have some diaries and lett ers that he wrote. They’re really interesti ng because he talks about the bandits in P eru who knew when payroll day was. He had this dry sense of humor, but he always told one story very sincerely, so I’m assuming it’s true that he came across Butch C assidy one ti me down in Peru. They became sort of passing friends at that moment in ti me. But he could have died in his encounters with bandits. My father went down to D avenport, Florida, aft er he’d been to Peru and Mexico. H is father had bought a lot of land down there. It was just swamp land and my grandfather wanted my father to drain the swamp land for development. And that’s where he met my mother. Hughes: Lilith J ordan. What was her middle name? Evans: It was Stoltz. And she pronounced Lilith “Lie-leth.” Mother’s father was a Methodist minister. And the name Lilith, as my mother used to tell me, is from the Apocrypha, which was the part of the Bible that is not usually included because of its questi onable origins. Some people say “Lill’th,” but she was “Lie-leth.” And her sister was E ulah —aren’t those unusual names!? Mother always used to say that as a child she was the typical minister’s daughter because she wanted to rebel against everything. She was a rebel. If you weren’t supposed to do something, that’s just what she was going to do. She was a suff ragist, too, marching for women’s right to vote. Hughes: I wish I had known her. I like everything I read about your mother. Evans: Well, she was wonderful because she really enjoyed people. Amazingly enough, she was also extremely conservati ve in some ways, I mean about what you should and should not do. But she also would never pass judgment unti l she really got to know somebody. She was very open to new ideas, new things, anything new. Hughes: Who are you more like – Dad or Mom? Evans: I hope I’m a happy combinati on of both. Hughes: So how about your grandmother on your paternal side? Tell us about her. Evans: She was Mary Elizabeth B artlett Bell. We have two volumes of records of her family going way back — the U nderwood family and the B artlett s. It was a long- ti me New 5 E ngland family. There were a lot of B artlett s. … All of our antecedents are B riti sh. Hughes: I’m mostly of Welsh origin and there’s a lot of Bells in Wales. Evans: I know. Dan’s family has a lot of W elsh. Evans is a very Welsh name. But we think primarily E ngland, actually. We have a lett er that’s framed, hanging downstairs, that was writt en by the brother of a Bell who came to America in 1812 or 1814. “Dear brother,” the Englishman says, addressing the lett er to William Bell in Ceres, New York. There’s no street address, nothing else except “America.” He asked if there was work there in America for a person like him. His brother was my great, great-grandfather, who had been gone for a number of years. His brother goes on to say, “Since you left , our mother has died, our sister has …” It goes through all these family issues. “Things are very hard here,” he adds. He was from H altwhistle, Northumberland, England, which is right up near the S cotti sh border. So when we went as a family to visit England in 1977, we of course went to Haltwhistle. It was early April, but it was sti ll cold; the wind was blowing; the trees were not budding leaves at all. It was bleak! But we stayed in a B&B and found this wonderful woman who just loved to know that we had family from there. She called the woman who worked at City Hall, who came right up and was eager to talk to us. Mother was with us at the ti me. We were sharing all the informati on we could and then we went out into the graveyard. It was “Bell,” “Bell” – Bells were everywhere – John Bell, William Bell … all sorts of Bells. There was nothing welcoming about the town because life was harsh there, and you could see it and feel it. Just a lot of sheep herders and what have you. But there is something wonderful about being in a place where your family came from, where they had lived, worked and died for generati ons. At one point in ti me, probably in the 1950s, D addy had read an arti cle about this man from Haltwhistle whose name was Bell. He had started as a sheep herder and had become the headmaster of the local school. So Daddy wrote him a lett er to the eff ect that, “Certainly we must be long-lost cousins … and congratulati ons on what you’ve done. And, by the way, since we are long-lost cousins surely you’d like to share with me some of your best products, namely Bell’s Scotch.” Daddy was being funny again. And back came a lett er in this beauti ful Spenserian script. “My dear cousin: It’s a pleasure to hear from you,” and on and on and on. And the Scotch became 6 sort of the running joke between them. Hughes: So how about m other’s father, the reverend? Tell us about him. Evans: His name was William J ordan. He was an iti nerate sort of minister. My mother was born in M orland, Kansas, on Jan. 15, 1892. My f ather always said that my mother’s father was the sweetest man he’d ever known. He was just a very lovely, sweet person. The Jordans ended up in D avenport, Florida. That’s where my father came down to drain the land, and they met. I’ve got to get out a map and look some ti me because I think that’s right about where E pcot and D isneyworld are today. Hughes: Doubtless no longer swamp. Evans: I should have that swamp land now that my grandfather owned! Hughes: How about your mother’s mother? Evans: H annah Pritchard Jordan. I don’t know much about her. Hughes: What’s the earliest that you’ve traced any of those ancestors from all branches of the family tree coming to America? Evans: We go back to the 1600s on both my mother’s and father’s side. Hughes: I read a wonderful line where your mother told a reporter she could have belonged to the Colonial Dames if she’d ever applied. Was your father involved in Sons of the American Revoluti on or any groups like that? Evans: No. And mother had declined the Dames, but we did go back a long way. Hughes: But the Jordans were clearly also early arrivers in America? Evans: Yes. But I’m not sure when my Grandmother Jordan’s side of the family arrived. She was a Pritchard. Hughes: A P ritchard? That was her maiden name? Evans: Yes, like Joel (former congressman, lieutenant governor and great friend to Nancy and Dan Evans). And it’s been a long ti me since I looked, but I think it was on my Grandfather Jordan’s side that the ancestors in America went back to the 1600s. I’m not sure about the Pritchards. The Jordans go back to the 1600s but I don’t know anything real specifi c about them. Hughes: “Bell” rings in my mind as having Q uaker roots. 7 Evans: Yes. My father’s mother was a Q uaker. Although my G randfather Bell was very acti ve in the P resbyterian Church, there were Quakers in the family – a lot of them. Hughes: It was a prett y gutsy thing for your father to leave home and all that family and come West to a fl edgling university. Evans: Oh, yes. They all thought he was lost. But when my m other and f ather got married in 1918, they moved back to B radford, Pennsylvania. My sisters, B arbara and M ary, and my brother, B ill Jr., were all born in Bradford. But my father really wanted to get into mining engineering, which was what he’d studied at S tanford, and much of mining was in the West. I don’t know exactly how this worked, but he came out to B riti sh Columbia, then went back and got my mother and the children. They were quite young when he brought them all out to Briti sh Columbia. (Barbara Bell was born in 1920, William L. Bell Jr. in 1924, and Mary in 1925.) That’s where the mines were, and my mother said, “We’re going to be lost to the East.” That was the way she worded it when she told the story. … “We’ll never come back, and it will never be the same.” She didn’t want to leave. And then years later she’d say, “Thank goodness we left . Thank goodness we came West.” They lived up into the wilds at S quam Bay, which is north of V ancouver. I always heard wonderful stories about Hong, who was their Chinese cook. Eventually they moved to Vancouver, and then to S pokane in 1931, where I was born two years later. He traveled to work on mining ventures, but Spokane was home. Daddy fi rst came to Spokane as a bachelor in 1908 aft er his two years in P eru. He traveled widely to work. Hughes: What kind of educati on did your mother have? Evans: Well, s he was a minister’s daughter. Her older brother was a Methodist minister as well. I’m not quite sure how this happened, but while he was in school and a new pastor, she would live with him and his wife and go to school herself. So I know that she had a year at the U niversity of Chicago. And she had a year at P urdue because that’s where her brother was living at the ti me. I think she had another year of college, too, but I don’t know where that was. It could have been in F lorida. In any case, she became a teacher and a nutriti onist. She taught nutriti on for the schools, and she did very well because she was bright and determined. We have some of her school papers, and I know she got the 8 big award for her senior thesis, or whatever they called it, in high school. Aft er college, s he went back down to F lorida to live with her parents and to teach. We have some books that she taught with, and her notes on the teaching of nutriti on – classic stuff . Mother was a really good cook. She had a very good friend, Bett y, who would come to visit at our house. We all loved her. She was a nutriti onist, too, and ended up going to C hina to improve nutriti on in the 1930s and ’40s. But when Bett y would come to visit, she would help mother with the cooking. I remember that her vegetables were always mushy and overdone, while mother always liked them sort of crisp, you know, like we all do now. So she was ahead of her ti me. She was a good cook, a sensible cook. But she also had a wonderful ability: At every meal there was presentati on in everything. It was not fussy; it was not pretenti ous, but there was always her special touch. She presented things nicely, just as a matt er of form, for her husband and four children. Hughes: And did her four children appreciate that at the ti me? Evans: Well, we did. I always remember that we did. Unless the kids were gone someplace or off doing things, we all sat down to dinner at the dining room table every night. And when dinner was through, my father would say, “Never a fi ner meal was served by a fairer hand.” Hughes: I love your dad! Evans: Yes. D addy was wonderful. Hughes: Did he go by “Bill”? Evans: Well, his old friends called him Bill, but my mother and the newer friends all called him Lawrence. His middle name. That’s what his parents had called him because his father was also William. Hughes: What was it like growing up in the Bell household in S pokane in the 1930s? Was it a busy, rambuncti ous kind of place? Evans: Yes. Especially when I was really young. My brother B ill was about 9 years older than I. My sister M ary was seven years older – a month younger than Dan, in fact. My sister B arbara was 12 years older. So my nearest sibling was seven years older. Hughes: You must have been doted on. 9 Evans: Well, I was a spoiled brat. (laughing) I was doted on, and I loved it. I don’t deny it. But it was a hard ti me because it was the D epression. And then my brother B ill got trench mouth, I think from drinking from a public fountain. And in those days, before anti bioti cs it ate away at his lower lip. So he required a number of surgeries over a period of ti me. And it was all a new procedure in those days. They would take skin from various parts of his body that were similar in texture to his lip – from behind the ear, the thighs, the inside upper arm. They would do a litt le layer at a ti me. Hughes: So did poor Bill, at the worst of this problem, did he have a disfi gured lip? Evans: As a young teen, and you know how sensiti ve teenagers are. Hughes: Absolutely. Acne is bad enough. Just think about losing your lower lip. Evans: And you have no sensati on there (from the graft s). He always was a slobbery kisser. (laughing) We used to tease him about it. But it didn’t deter him because he was always a very popular teen. But at the ti me it was hard. Financially it was very hard for us because there was no insurance at all. It was a hard ti me anyway in mining – a hard ti me everywhere in America. Hughes: So your dad was sti ll working sporadically as a mining engineer? Evans: Oh, that’s all h e did. Hughes: With a wife and four kids. Evans: Yes. Many mouths to feed. Hughes: Was he away from home a lot? Evans: When I was very young he was. In fact, he went back down to M exico for a while. The story is, and I have no idea if it’s true – maybe it’s apocryphal – but they always said that he came to the door one day when I was 5 or 6, and I opened the door and said, “Mother, that man’s here again.” And it was my father. (laughing) But when I was older, Daddy was not gone a lot. Hughes: So, tell me more about the siblings. Nancy at fi ve. Evans family album 10