STEWART INDIAN SCHOOL ORAL HISTORY PROJECT DOING IT FOR THE KIDS: AN INTERVIEW WITH THOMAS D. BENJAMIN Interviewed by Terri McBride Transcribed by Barbara L. Zeigler Funded by: Nevada Indian Commission © Funded by: Copyright 2017 Nevada Indian Commission 5366 Snyder Avenue Carson City, Nevada 89701 Doing It for the Kids: An Interview with Thomas D. Benjamin Thomas D. Benjamin is a former employee of Stewart Indian School, working there 1973-1975. He acted as an educational aide and coach of the track and cross-country teams. During his tenure, the cross- country team at Stewart won the State championship in 1973. Thomas is from Yerington, Nevada and is of American Indian descent. After graduating high school in Nevada he attended Haskell Institute in Lawrence, Kansas for trade certification and then served two full years in the U.S. Army. After returning to Nevada, Thomas and his young family made their way to Carson City, and he took the open position at Stewart. He really enjoyed working with the students at Stewart, teaching them life skills through his coaching and informal guidance counseling. He is now retired from Nevada State government and living in Yerington. My name is Terri McBride. It is Tuesday, May alfalfa. More or less, a rancher. My mom was a 30, 2017. We are at the Carson City Library in cook. Carson City, Nevada. This interview is with A cook at a ranch? Thomas D. Benjamin, a former employee at Stewart Indian School. We will be discussing No, at our—she did, she cooked out in different his experiences as an employee. This interview areas, ranches around Yerington, Wabuska area. is being conducted for the Stewart Indian School She worked down at the, it’s like a subdivision Oral History Project for the Nevada Indian from the Flying M out by the power plant, Commission and will be archived at the Stewart there’s the power plant now. She cooked out Indian School Cultural Center, the State Library there for Henry Tyree and the cowboys. They and Archives, and Special Collections, call ‘em wranglers now days, I guess. And went University of Nevada, Reno. to school in Yerington, graduated in ’64. Sixty- four to ’66 I went to Haskell Institute in Thomas, what year were you born and where Lawrence, Kansas for air conditioning and are you from? refrigeration. After I graduated from Haskell, I My name is Thomas D. Benjamin. I was born in came home and went to the Selective Service Schurz, Nevada, September 17, 1944, and I live Board and told ‘em I was out of school and they in Yerington, Nevada. gave me a letter in two weeks to go get my physical. So I went to Oakland and got my Where did you grow up? physical and I was inducted in September 21, In Yerington, Nevada. 1966, and got out of the service September 20, 1968 and I was two years standby and two years Tell me a little bit about your family history. inactive but I did have to go in for another two What were your mother’s and father’s names weeks for my six-year obligation was up and I and where did they come from? served with the Sixth Infantry Division at Fort Ord in AAIT Company as Company Armor. We My father was Tom D. Benjamin from Schurz, trained troops for going overseas and then I Nevada. My mother was May Benjamin from came home and I worked in Hawthorne at the Yerington, and we grew up on the Campbell Ammunition Depot, 1970. Laurie Ann Ranch Indian Reservation and my dad raised [daughter who was present] was born in 1970, horses, cows, chickens and turkeys, and did June 3rd, and, uh, worked there and then we Stewart Indian School Oral History Project: Thomas D. Benjamin came up here, moved up to Carson. Then I Let me ask a little bit more about your military started—I went out to Stewart to look for a job service. Did you serve overseas? and I met Johnny Rupert, and he asked if I knew No, I didn’t serve overseas. I served state-side how to roof and I said, “Not really.” He said, but we trained, we trained, uh, troops to go “I’ll show you!” So, I roofed the dining hall, me overseas, infantry unit, AIT, Advanced Infantry and another gentleman but I can’t think of his Training Unit. We trained troops every—240 name right now, and we roofed that whole troops every two weeks, everything to do with dining hall. From there, there was a job opening infantry, weapons. for educational aide so I put in for it and Mr. Stan Wagner hired me. I think I worked there So you talked about how you had like, just a two years or so and, uh, Bud Hurrin was the quick contract job on the roofing at Stewart and athletic director and coach for basketball. They then you applied to become an educational aide. had nobody to do track or cross country and I Did you teach class? had ran for him in Hawthorne, Nevada, when I No. We had the students come to us and we was—in the sixties so he said, “You ran for me, took ‘em on field trips. We took ‘em to so now you’re going to be the coach.” So, Sacramento for a week when they got to be myself and Leonard Dickerson took the track seniors and then the people there would take team over, and more likely, we went to the State over for a week. We just had to be by and get and beat everything in the State, Lake Tahoe, ‘em out to see what they want to do. They’d Reno, all over the area. We went to Vegas and take ‘em. You want to be on cooking or you we took State, I think 1993 we took State. want to be maintenance or, you know, boys and 1973? girls. What do you want to do, trying to give them the outside look of the world ‘cuz you can 1973, I mean. We took State and, uh, the graduate or you can go back to the reservation or student body was happy, the employees were you can try to get out and work on your own. It happy, and it was a nice school and the people was kinda like, maybe almost like a relocation were all great people that worked there. Then that they, you know, you could get out when you they got me and five runners to go back to got out of school. But a lot of them did. A lot Lawrence, Kansas, Haskell Institute. Billy Mills of ‘em were good, you know, but a lotta them wanted more Native Americans to try to enter went back home. the Olympics so they sent myself and ten runners back to Lawrence, Kansas, Haskell So, the government didn’t recruit you, you Institute, which we did good. We was in the top applied for that job when you saw that there was fifteen and then I guess the job kinda gave up. I an opportunity. got a job with the State, so I left. But that was Yeah, yeah. my experience at Stewart. It was a great school. So did you have to move your family in order to Well, I have some specific questions about work at Stewart? working there. How old were you when you first started working at Stewart? We lived here. I don’t know, twenty-two, maybe, twenty-three, Okay, you already lived in Carson or you someplace in that area, maybe twenty . . . already lived at the campus? If you were born in 1944, and you started in ’73, No, we lived here in town. about 29. That’s almost 30 years. Okay, and did you end up living on campus? I don’t remember! I thought it was earlier. So, anyway . . . 2 Stewart Indian School Oral History Project: Thomas D. Benjamin No. We, we stayed out here, down by Oh, okay. Governor’s Field. There was a trailer park there But I just . . . me and my other brothers and and her mother [Laurie Ann’s] worked for the sisters went to a public school in Yerington, but State. the other ones went to Stewart. That’s how we Yes. Your wife? knew Stewart. But they, they liked it because they said it taught ‘em; it was different but they Mm-hmm. had carpentry, painting, things for the ladies like Had you worked with American Indians, like home economics, cooking, nursing, and they specifically, before you started working at taught ranch. So, for my brother-in-law and my Stewart? brothers that went there; they said it was good for them and for Grandpa and Grandma went to No. school at Stewart, Lester and Betty Johnson, but it taught ‘em a trade. Back in them days, if you I imagine you encountered some during your had some kind of a trade, you’d make it. So, a training. lotta them loved it ‘cuz of the trade. It taught Just livin’ on the rez. ‘em, when I get outta here, I’ll have somethin’ to do. So, my brother-in-law, he went into painting Living around them, living with them! for years, Laurie’s grandpa, Lester, he was a Living on the rez, you know, that’s where we carpenter. Some more of our family, they just grew up and that’s all we knew. You know we went their ways and it helped ‘em. So, it was a had hard work when we were young on the rez. good school! But, you know, like you say, some We had to get out and work in the fields that the liked it, some didn’t like it. Hispanic people do now, like in Yerington. We Well, when you were there, what was your used to do it when we grew up. impression of the staff? Picking potatoes, by any chance? They were all right, you know, they did their Mm-hmm. jobs. You know, everybody had their own job to do and that’s what you did. And then just, well, So what was—you talked a little bit earlier you were there for the students, you know? about, in your introductory statement, about your impression of Stewart. What was your So, was that the underlying, you know, mission impression when you first got there, or you for all the staff? They felt they were all there for already knew about it because your parents had the students. gone or . . . ? Yeah. No, they hadn’t. My parents, I just knew it ‘cuz Some of the staff came from pretty far away, not my brother-in-law, my brothers all went there. from around here. My sisters and brothers went to school there. So, that’s how I knew Stewart ‘cuz they, my Yeah. older brother and sisters, half brothers and What—did you get an idea of like what they sisters, they attended Stewart. See, back in the thought about living and working out here? day, they took everybody from the reservation to Stewart. So that’s where they went. Well, I think it was okay for ‘em because a lot of their, uh, their kids came here. You know, the So you were the youngest? tribes. Some of ‘em blended in ‘cuz back in the Yeah. 3 Stewart Indian School Oral History Project: Thomas D. Benjamin Thomas D. Benjamin, former Stewart employee. Carson City, May 30, 2017. ‘50s a lotta the Navajos came here and then like me and my boss, we had to supervise a lot more and more and more from the south. New of them, you know. Tell ‘em which way to go, Mexico and Arizona, that came this way, so it all what direction to go and helped ‘em out if they blended in ‘cuz they had their own people here had problems, you know, ‘cuz if you got away too, you know, as staff, and workin’ at Stewart, from home, you got problems. But to my so, it helped a lot. knowledge, I think everybody got along. It was a nice group of people and kids, you know. Like So there were, there was a significant amount of I said, we were there for the students and they staff who were Native American at that time know. You’re going to have a few that aren’t, when you were here? you know, that are gonna be rebellious. Yeah. Every high school has those! Okay, that’s interesting. Did you ever attend But we were there more or less to say, “Hey, social events with the staff on campus or with we’re here for you” and the majority of the the kids, I suppose? students that we worked with were really very Yeah, you know we had assemblies, athletic good students, you know. They were very good assemblies, then they had just regular assemblies students and I enjoyed ‘em and some of the and, you know, you told them—they knew what activities. You know, they would have pow to do. You supervised them if you needed to; wows and different things. This one here [daughter], my niece, my nephew, Laurie, would 4 Stewart Indian School Oral History Project: Thomas D. Benjamin be scared of ‘em. They had Apache dancers; gonna be.” If you want to come out, and it’s they would scare ‘em. gonna be rough, because we’re gonna work you and if you don’t like it, go back to the dorm. Lauri Ann Thom (daughter): The Crown Basketball, track, same way. We’re here to win dancers. and compete but sports-minded. We’re not out (laughs) But to the students, they were good. there to act like yo-yo’s. We’re here to do, And you know, you just tell ‘em, it’s up to you. we’re here for sports even though the other We’re not here to question you or this and that. teams are beatin’ us, we’re here for the sports We’re here to help you if you need, help ‘cuz and this will teach you in the world that you win pretty soon, you’re going to be done with this and you lose. But, yeah! Athletics were the and you’re going to be on the outside world. So, biggest and that gymnasium, the old one? That if you don’t ask questions now, and you get out was it! Everybody, everybody lived there. there and you don’t ask anything, you’re not Yeah, that old gym; that’s where everybody gonna get nowhere if you’re in that little congregated, but they were good athletes. Hard shadow. Most of ‘em knew what they were workin’ but they were plenty good athletes doing. The student body, they were really good. comin’ outta that Stewart Indian School. They had a really good, real good student body Where did you practice? and they knew, they knew the kids that was messin’ up and they would bring ‘em in and talk At the football field. to ‘em and say, “Hey! We’re here, all here, us, And there’s a track around that? to get educated,” instead of going back home to Arizona or New Mexico and even Nevada, you Yeah, but you know where the homes are up on know. We’re tryin’ to get you an education, that hill? It was all sagebrush. That’s where we trying to get you to, ‘cuz it’s going to be a ran. different world out there pretty soon and if you Okay, so you’d run up the hill and back? huddle back here and stay, you’re not gonna go nowheres. You’re gonna go back on the rez and Run, all runnin’ hills. Then run down to the do what you gotta do. So, it was very nice river. That’s where we trained, our cross working there and I enjoyed it. country, but that was all, nothin’ but sagebrush. You know where the shopping center is? That And can I ask you about—because you were in was nothin’ there. So, you’d run up that way. the Athletics Department, what was—talk about Hard workers! I think I had ten runners, 10-12 what attending some of the athletic events or runners. I think they’re most Apache and Hopi. matches, finals, championships or whatever. I think that was probably, I don’t know . . . But Yeah, yeah, they were good! The students they worked hard and they earned what they got. worked hard. You know, it’s not like nowadays And I always like to ask the coaches, because I where they had this attitude. Nowdays there’s don’t see that many newspaper articles about attitude. the girl’s teams, the girls’ sports. Did you . . . ? Did they have school spirit? They didn’t have any, uh, they didn’t have any. Mm-hmm. That was it! Yeah, they were very— They didn’t do track when you were there? and coaches were the boss, not the kids, like nowadays. Run to the principal, run here, Huh-uh. There were no, no girls’ events. They “momma, daddy.” It was, if you went out, you were cheerleaders. That’s it. had the basketball or football, everybody, all the coaches that were in football got out on the Right and they did a little intramural like football field and told ‘em, “This is how it’s softball or volleyball while on campus. 5 Stewart Indian School Oral History Project: Thomas D. Benjamin No, they didn’t have none of that. Just all boys’ make fifty, sixty points. He’d shoot way beyond sports. the arc and never miss! And then the pep, uh, the drill team and the Huh! Danny Lee. cheerleaders. Yup. He’s a Hualapai. But Rocky Imus and Yeah. those, they were there, uh, they were great, great basketball players. You know, Nixon had a And were there planned recreational things for great bunch of students that were basketball staff to do? Did you have gatherings, you know, players and a lotta the other guys were, boys, staff picnics, staff Christmas pot lucks, or . . . ? were football players. The rugged guys. I don’t think so. Everybody just did their own Yeah, the bigger guys? thing on those things. (laughs) Yeah. Okay, from your point of view, how did the Anglos and the American Indians get along—the Talk about: how did the staff interact with the staff members—get along there? larger Carson City community? Did you guys go out, come out and do things . . . ? I thought they got along, you know. There’s people that are gonna be rebellious. You kinda Yeah, we—well, they knew Stewart but the train ‘em to—hey, you know, we’re here for a biggest thing was, they loved Stewart because reason and if you didn’t get along, they would, we all went to the Nugget to eat after our games they would send you home if you’re gonna be or like you say some banquets and stuff. The the rotten apple in the barrel, and you couldn’t Nugget would put, the Carson City Nugget maintain yourself, you go home. But I didn’t would put—so they were really good to the see too many go home but I guess they did. It Stewart employees and when we had our just keep it to where it’s flowin’, flowin’ real championships, you know, our winnings, but good, like a river’s flowin’ good. You’d want they were good, and the community was good, the river to hit that rock and then. . . to ‘em, I guess. I didn’t see anything different. Disrupt everyone? Did a lot of Carson City folk come out and watch the games and the matches out there? Yeah, so, they knew what to do. You know, the staff. I had nothin’ to do with them people, I Not too many. Nah. Just a team would show just try to help the kids. That was our main . . . up, you know. and then Mr. Leonard Dickerson and I was in Okay. the track so we concentrated on our team. This is what we’re gonna—this is our goal and this is Their fans. what we’re gonna work hard at. So, that’s what Right, the away team, correct, right. we did and we worked hard, and the boys worked hard, and got a State championship! But (Laughter) they were good teams! Sometimes, you know, the basketball team would be so close. Like Is there a particular person at Stewart that some of those Hualapais, they were great stands out in your memory? players! Rocky Imus and the Willima brothers, Not really. They were all great to me. down that way. They were fabulous! They had Superintendent . . . they were really good. one guy named Danny Lee. That guy couldn’t miss. If he’d had three pointers nowadays, he’d Who was the superintendent? 6 Stewart Indian School Oral History Project: Thomas D. Benjamin I can’t remember right now. They were really And then your wife also worked for the State at good to the students, and they treated ‘em, you that time or . . . ? know they treated ‘em equal but the kids just Yeah, and we just, we’d go out to the—even loved sports so all the coaches were, were the after I got a job with the State, we’d always go idols on campus. Boxing, track, and basketball, and attend all the functions. So, we never left football; but like I say, they were . . . and the Stewart. We were there for ‘em all the time. I women who worked in the dormitories, they think my job was kind of, you know, money- were good to the girls, because they had to do wise, what do you call it, but it, it was there, but their thing, you know, cheerleading. I can’t I decided to get out of there for a while. But it remember if they had a band, I think they had a was a nice experience and I had a couple band, I’m not sure. But you know, the idol was, nephews at the time when I was out there, going these kids loved sports and you’re growin’ up to to school there, and cousins, you know, so . . . love sports and that was it. So they all succeeded in what they did. Who were students? Right, they tried real hard. Mm-hmm. There was outstanding athletes and stuff. It’s Do you—did you talk about your job or the just like anything else, competition. campus after you left. Did you talk to your kids? Did you see any changes that happened at No. I just talked about our track, our Stewart while you were there like, like changes championship track team. in the administration or how, how the school So let’s talk just a little bit about that year ran? They were getting, I mean they were championship. That was in ’73 or ’74? getting within years of closing down finally, but . . . Seventy-three, I believe. We went to Vegas and beat everybody in the state. The lowest score Yeah. you got, you won. If you’ve got 10 runners and Did you see any changes while you were there? they scored low, you win. The high points, you’d lose. No. Because of the times. And you were there for two years, Thomas? Yeah. Yeah, two years. So did you win—you won long-distance running And then, why did you leave Stewart? or what exactly did your team win? I went—I got a State job. We call it cross country. So, you have to run a Okay, doing what? distance, probably three miles. Maintenance. And it’s not an individual who wins, it’s the team. You didn’t happen to work out there, did you? No, that wasn’t a State property yet. Well, individuals have to do their thing to score their points, as low as you can. No. Right,right, but then the whole team wins if all So, you stayed and resided, you stayed, living in of your times are put together and you have the Carson City? lowest. Mm-hmm. 7 Stewart Indian School Oral History Project: Thomas D. Benjamin Yeah. “You apologize to the student body, you apologize to the coaching staff, and then you get Okay. your rear end out there and start workin’.” And But we used to run up at Lake Tahoe, run in the I said, “I know you’re the number one runner. trees up in there, uphill, downhill. You can be, but you gotta get that attitude behind you.” There he came, back. We won. Oh, yeah! That would give you an advantage The guy was leery at the time but all the team with the altitude too. [unintelligible]. “I’m here to help you guys. I’m not here, I’m here to make you guys do your And Whittel [Estate] and Incline. They just ran. best and look good, not me. You’re not lookin’ They just done everything. good for me; I’m not here for that.” So, after So, where was that, was that held at UNLV or that, the team, and it got ‘round campus and they where was that? said, “Mr. Benjamin means business,” and Bud Hurrin got ahold of ‘em and said, “Yeah, that’s No, it was down at one of those schools in, uh, the way I treated him in Hawthorne. If you Vegas. wanna win, you can’t sit over there and waller. Was it hot? Do you remember? You gotta get out there and run.” It all went fine. I loved the campus, I loved the kids and Yeah, it was kinda hot, but they did good! They they . . . just, it was a good experience, workin’ took State, that’s all we was there for. We went at Stewart. down to take State if we could, but we wanna be short and not take it. You guys gotta go down Did you ever coach kids again? there like you did up here, do your thing down No. there, ‘cuz it’s too late to practice now! Practice is over. This is for the, this is for the gold. So that was unique. Right. Yeah, I coached her [daughter Laurie Ann] in softball. You know, that was summertime. She So they all performed and won State! And then would be out in the—softball in the summer and when I left, I don’t know if they took State the in the winter, she would be in the gym with her next year or not. I think they said they did, I mom in basketball. But it was fun, and then we don’t know. It was mostly the same runners. used to go up to Clear Creek. You know where Not too many. They were, they were just a good Clear Creek is? Her mom; I coached her mom team and they worked hard for what they got. and some of the girls in town here. We had a And you know, we treated them all the same. basketball team. We coached them when she There was nobody different. I had one student; was little. So they had a—it was called Teho he was kind of a smarty guy. We were at Sierra [?]. That was the name of the team but Whittel and I says, he walked across the finish we’d go up Clear Creek, that old gym up there line, just stepped, you know, attitude. I says, got and we’d practice up there, and play at Stewart on the bus and I says, “You know what? We after I got out of Stewart but anyway, I still could’ve lost because of your attitude. We’re stayed in town. not havin’ it on this team. Turn your stuff in when we get back to campus.” So, a couple So you did do a little bit of coaching. weeks later he came and said, “Mr. Benjamin, Yeah. I’m very sorry.” He says, “Can I run again?” I said, “I don’t need attitude. My team’s runnin’ Okay, good. good right now. We don’t need you to mess it up.” “I’ll do my best. I’ll work hard.” I said, 8