Transcript  of  “Nadine  Artemis:  Holistic  Dentistry,  Root  Canal  Dangers  &   Benefits  of  Essential  Oils  -­‐  #248”     Bulletproof  Radio  podcast  #248                                         Warning  and  Disclaimer   © The Bulletproof Executive 2013 Bulletproof Toolbox Podcast #248, Nadine Artemis     The  statements  in  this  report  have  not  been  evaluated  by  the  FDA  (U.S.  Food  &  Drug   Administration).       Information   provided   here   and   products   sold   on   bulletproofexec.com   and/or   upgradedself.com  and/or  betterbabybook.com  are  not  intended  to  diagnose,  treat,   cure,  or  prevent  any  disease.       The  information  provided  by  these  sites  and/or  by  this  report  is  not  a  substitute  for   a   face-­‐to-­‐face   consultation   with   your   physician,   and   should   not   be   construed   as   medical  advice  of  any  sort.  It  is  a  list  of  resources  for  further  self-­‐research  and  work   with  your  physician.     We  certify  that  at  least  one  statement  on  the  above-­‐mentioned  web  sites  and/or  in   this   report   is   wrong.   By   using   any   of   this   information,   or   reading   it,   you   are   accepting  responsibility  for  your  own  health  and  health  decisions  and  expressly   release  The  Bulletproof  Executive  and  its  employees,  partners,  and  vendors  from   from  any  and  all  liability  whatsoever,  including  that  arising  from  negligence.     Do  not  run  with  scissors.  Hot  drinks  may  be  hot  and  burn  you.       If  you  do  not  agree  to  the  above  conditions,  please  do  not  read  further  and  delete   this  document.                           2 Bulletproof Toolbox Podcast #248, Nadine Artemis         Dave:   Hi,  everyone.  It's  Dave  Asprey  with  Bulletproof  Radio.  Today's  Cool  Fact   of  the  Day  is  that  you  may  think  women  are  complaining  about  nothing   when  they  talk  about  smells.  New  research  shows  that  women  actually   smell  better  than  men  do.  This  could  affect  women's  emotional   associations  and  their  emotions.  It's  probably  because  women  have   50%  more  neurons  in  the  olfactory  bulbs  of  their  brains  than  us  men  do.   We  don't  really  know  why  but  you  could  guess  that  it  has  to  do  with  the   way  women  pick  mates  for  reproduction.  The  guy  has  to  smell   compatible  so  you'd  have  to  have  good  smell  receptors  in  order  to  do   that.  It's  kind  of  cool.       If  you  haven't  had  a  chance  yet  to  check  out  the  Zen  Tech  filters  that  we   make,  I'd  love  it  if  you  took  a  second  and  looked  at  the  iPhone  or   computer  that  you're  probably  listening  to  this  on  and  realize  that  if  you   look  at  that  at  night,  it's  affecting  your  sleep  quality.  the  Zen  Tech  filter   filters  out  only  the  narrowest  spectrum  of  blue  light  that's  most   impactful  so  you  can  still  use  it  during  the  day.  I've  had  the  thing  on  my   phone  for  a  long  time  so  when  I  set  the  alarm  at  night,  the  phone  isn't   going  to  take  me  out  of  my  melatonin  zone.  Zen  Tech  filters  on  the   Bulletproof  site,  do  check  it  out  and  support  the  show.  Thank  you.       Today's  guest  is  best  known  for  being  the  co-­‐creator  of  Living  Libations,   which  is  a  line  of  serums  and  essential  oils  that  you  can  use  on  your   skin.  She  is  the  author  of  a  couple  of  books,  including  the  recent  one  that   I  really  enjoyed  called  Holistic  Dental  Care:  The  Complete  Guide  to   Healthy  Teeth  and  Gums.  Now,  some  of  you  may  read  like  Tom  Clancy  or   something.  I'm  telling  you,  I  don't  read  that  kind  of  stuff.  Actually,  I  do   sometimes.  This  is  a  really  good  book  and  I  do  read  that  kind  of  book   with  regular  frequency  because  it's  really  neat.  There's  a  lot  of  good   stuff  in  the  book  which  is  why  I  asked  Nadine  on  the  show.       I  also  think  that  there's  something  to  be  said  for  essential  oils  and  I   really  don't  understand  how  to  use  essential  oils  as  sort  of  truth   3 Bulletproof Toolbox Podcast #248, Nadine Artemis disclaimer  here.  I  have  lots  of  them.  People  will  give  me  their  very  best   ones  and  then  I  smell  them  but  I'm  not  really  sure  what's  going  on  there.   So  I  have  room  to  go  there.       She's  also  a  frequent  commentator  and  like  The  New  York  Times,  The   National  Post,  Hollywood  Reporter,  and  all  over  the  place.  Alanis   Morissette  called  her  a  true-­‐sense  visionary.  Nadine  Artemis,  welcome   to  the  show.     Nadine:   Thank  you  so  much.     Dave:   Now,  give  me  your  story.  You've  been  doing  this  health  and  beauty  thing   since  you  were  18.  How  did  that  come  about?     Nadine:   It's  hard  to  say  where  it  all  began.  I  feel  like  it  began  earlier.  I  had  a  lot  of   exploration  in  nature,  and  in  grade  9,  I  found  a  book  in  the  library  on   recreating  cosmetics  naturally.  For  the  science  fair  project  at  that  time,  I   recreated  L'Air  du  Temps  using  essential  oils.  Because  in  that  book  I   found  out  that  perfumes,  I  was  obsessed  with  them  at  that  time,  but   they're  all  the  commercial  stuff,  that  they  actually  came  from  plants.  It   went  into  the  ancient  Egyptian  cosmology  of  it  all  and  that  was   fascinating  to  me  because  also  my  great  grandfather  used  to  be  the   president  of  the  London  Egyptology  Society  who  would  go  on   archaeological  digs  so  we  had  all  these  Egyptian  paintings.  I  was   fascinated.  It  was  sort  of  my  first  hit.       Then  it  faded  a  bit  but  back  when  I  was  18,  as  you  and  I  were  just   talking  about,  I  was  reading  some  health  books  on  food.  From  that   moment  forward,  I  realized  that  the  whole  structure  of  the  supermarket   was  fake,  and  then  metals  led  me  to  believe  and  understand  that  the   whole  structure  of  body  care  was  completely  fake  and  that  all  of  my,  I   was  so  excited  about  the  body  shop  then  because  it  was  just  newly   invented  and  then  I  realized  there's  no  pineapple  in  the  face  wash  and   no  cucumber  in  the  face  toner,  so  I  started  making  my  own  food  and  my   own  cosmetics.       Then  by  22,  after  I  graduated,  I  opened  up  North  America's  first  full   concept  aromatherapy  store.  I  had  all  my  distillers  from  all  over  the   4 Bulletproof Toolbox Podcast #248, Nadine Artemis world  that  I  would  get  essential  oils  from.  I  realized  this  is  a  quality   that's  available  that  wasn't  around  in  health  food  stores  at  that  time.  I   did  that  for  a  long  time  and  I  just  formulated  tons  of  products.  Then   when  I  was  about  22,  I  was  starting  to  really  getting  into  oral  care  and   dentistry  because  I  found  there's  a  lot  of  alternative  stuff  for  the  body.  I   found  that  alternative  dentistry,  there  was  a  big  gap.  Maybe  you  could   learn  about  that  hazards  of  mercury  but  there  wasnt  a  lot  out  there.   Then  I  started  formulating  some  oral  care  products,  just  mainly  testing   them  on  myself  and  friends  and  then  deeply  going  in  into  oral  care  after   that.  Instantly  we  have  a  huge  line  of  oral  care  products  with  ozonated   gel  and  really  fancy  botanical  extracts.  Later,  they  called  them  botanical   biotics.       What's  so  fascinating  now  is  to  go  into  all  the  research  about  the   mouth's  microbiome,  is  that  what  we're  finding  is  that  we're  getting   scientific  studies  that  are  now  confirming  that  why  everybody  had  been   using  these  botanical  biotics  for  thousands  of  years,  because  they're   confirming  that  things  like  neem,  tea  tree,  frankincense,  oregano,   cardamom,  cloves,  cinnamon,  all  those  classic  ones  for  oral  care.  What   they're  finding  now  is  that  they  are  awesome  at  inhibiting  quorum   sensing,  which  is  how  pathogens  communicate  in  the  mouth  or  all  over   the  body  so  the  essential  oils  are  able  to  clean  up  the  pathogens,   penetrate  biofilms,  but  not  be  these  indiscriminate  assassins  that   antibiotics  are.     Dave:   You  really  got  into  some  of  the  nuances  of  what  essential  oils  can  do  and   you  talked  about  something  else  really  important  there,  which  is  that   you're  one  of  the  few  people  I've  seen  at  a  commercial  level  selling   ozonated  anything.  Let's  talk  about  ozone  first  and  let's  talk  about   essential  oils  because  the  effects  on  the  microbiome  are  really   important  for  both  of  those  things.  First,  talk  about  ozone,  what  your   ozonating,  and  why  someone  want  to  put  that  in  their  mouth.     Nadine:   Ozone  is  amazing.  It  was  invented  by,  it  was  Tesla,  of  course.  His   inventions  are  like  they're  so  huge.  You  know  what  I  mean?  He  put   oxygen  through  olive  oil  which  just  seems  so  different  from  everything   else  he  created.  He  was  the  first  to  do  that.  Then  a  lot  of  naturopaths  at   that  time  we're  putting  it  into  their  practice.  What  we're  doing  now  is   5 Bulletproof Toolbox Podcast #248, Nadine Artemis we're  ozonating  our  healthy  gum  drop  formula.  We  ozonated  not  only   the  oil  that  we  do,  jojoba,  olive  oil.  Then  we  also  ozonate  along  with  it,   the  seabuckthorn,  the  rose  otto,  the  peppermint,  so  it's  very  powerful.   What  ozone  does,  too,  is  it's  seems  to  act  like  there's  some  beneficial   things  out  there  like  hydrogen  peroxide,  salt,  baking  soda,  ozone,  the   essential  oils.  They're  all  able  to  clean  up  but  not  destroy  the  whole   microbiome.       I  really  feel  like  it's  these  kind  of  botanical  biotics  again,  or  natural   substances  that  are  so  important  right  now  because  of  things  like   antibiotic  resistance  and  because  of  things  like  antibiotics  not  being  able   to  penetrate  biofilms.  What  we  need  in  our  mouth  is  breathability  and   oxygen  being  in  there.  Then,  when  we  have  things  in  our  mouth  which   are  pathogenic  like  an  old  root  canal,  which  we  can  talk  about.  There's   definitely  things  in  our  mouth  that  fester  and  breed  bacteria,  and  ozone   is  able  to  go  in  there  and  clean  up.  A  lot  of  dentists  will  inject  sites  that   they  just  worked  on  with  ozone  as  well.  It's  very  regenerative.     Dave:   It  sounds  hard  to  believe  for  most  people  listening  here  who  probably   haven't  heard  about  ozone  in  the  mouth.  We've  talked  about  ozone  with   Dr.  Rowen  who's  actually  using  it  for  ebola,  like  intravenous  ozone.  I   actually  did  some  intravenous  ozone  3  days  ago  with  Robyn  Benson  in   Santa  Fe.  You  can  do  things  in  your  mouth  that  are  crazy.  I,  this  is  many   years  ago,  every  night  was  drinking  a  bunch  of  magnesium  citrate,  that   natural  calmness  as  hot  acidic  drink  it  turns  out  and  I  drink  it  after  I   brush  my  teeth.  Because  it's  like  it's  a  sleep  thing,  I  drink  it  before  bed.  I   dissolved  mostly  enamel  in  my  mouth  that  way  and  didn't  really  know   it.       I  went  to  the  dentist,  a  traditional  dentist,  and  they  basically  said,  "Oh,   you're  gonna  have  to  have,  like,  bridges  everywhere.  It's  going  to  be  four   appointments  of  four  hours  a  piece.  We're  gonna  basically  rip  your   whole  mouth  out  and  give  you  a  new  one."  I'm  like,  "Good  thing  I  run  the   Silicon  Valley  Health  Institute,  this  anti-­‐aging  thing."  I  went  to  a  resident   dentist  who,  unfortunately,  since  passed  away  but  he  was  one  of  the   pioneers  of  ozone  dentistry,  same  as  Dr.  Gallagher.  He  looks  at  me  and   goes,  "Oh,  yeah.  Problem  here."  He  ozonates  you,  like  injects  ozone   around  all  of  my  teeth.  Basically,  has  me  rinse  my  mouth  out,  it  was   6 Bulletproof Toolbox Podcast #248, Nadine Artemis ozoned  to  sterilize  it.  Then  he  says,  "Great.  Now,  go  home  and  brush   with  this  for  a  week."  It  was  something  called  remineralization  paste.   Magically,  like  $30,000  worth  of  fake  teeth  disappeared  with  a  $20  tube   of  paste  and  like  $0.01  worth  of  ozone.  That  is  how  powerful  this  stuff  is   and  literally  my  teeth  are  fine  to  this  day.     Nadine:   It  was  amazing  and  it's  not.     Dave:   It's  amazing  if  you  don't  know  that  this  is  possible.  One  of  the  reasons  I   wanted  to  have  you  on  the  show  is  to  talk  more  about  that.  I  think  we've   had  a  Dr.  Jennings  who  does  jaw  alignment  but  doesn't  do  ozone,  so  he   wasn’t  able  to  talk  about  that.  You're  putting  ozone  in  oil  which  is  just   something  different  than  injecting  the  gas  but  what  is  ozone  really  doing   in  your  mouth?  Walk  me  through  the  steps  here.     Nadine:   It  can  regenerate,  so  you're  getting  new  cell  growth  where  you  want  it.  I   think  the  main  thing,  too,  what  we  skipped  over  because  everything   that's  going  on  with  modern  dentistry  is  about  killing,  this  sort  of   periodontal  scorched  earth  policy  on  the  mouth's  microbiome.  You've   got  the  really  heavy  duty  mouth  rinses,  the  toothpaste  with  triclosan   and  sodium  lauryl  sulfate,  and  all  these  chemicals.  Then  we're   masticating  meals  with  glyphosates  and  pesticides,  so  our  mouths  are   like  this  microcosm  for  the  whole,  everything  was  going  on  with  the   world  right  now  and  our  microbiomes  are  literally  off-­‐balance,  like  the   soil  of  our  mouth,  just  like  the  soil  of  our  guts,  are  so  out  of  whack.   Ozone  can  come  in,  help  regenerate,  and  then  also  clean  up  because   what's  happening,  because  we're  missing  microbes.       I'm  sure  you've  read  Dr.  Martin  Blaser's  work.  He  has  a  book,  Missing   Microbes.  He  talks  a  lot  about  the  guts  and  then  how  things  get  out  of   whack  is  because  the  microbes  are  actually  missing  some  of  their   ancestral  bacterial  buddies.  Every  mouth  has  streptococcus  mutans.  It   just  depends  if  it's  out  of  control  or  not.  That's  the  cavity-­‐causing   bacteria.  What  they  now  understand  from  research  of  the  human   microbiome,  which  is  really  revolutionary,  is  that  streptococcus  mutans   is  a  bit  out  of  control  because  it's  missing  its  bacterial  buddies  that   would  keep  it  under  control.  This  is  because  of  everything  we're  killing   off  all  the  healthy  microbes  through  our  regular  oral  care  practices  and   7 Bulletproof Toolbox Podcast #248, Nadine Artemis because  of  our  diet.  Something  like  ozone  can  come  in  and  clean  up  the   pathogens  but  still  keep  all  the  friendly  bacteria  active  and  healthy  and   proliferating.     Dave:   What  about  hydrogen  peroxide?  Hydrogen  peroxide  and  ozone  are   similar.  If  you're  not  a  biochemist,  for  people  listening,  the  difference  is   that  hydrogen  peroxide  is  H202,  and  so  it's  got  this  extra  oxygen  floating   around  and  ozone  is  O3,  with  an  extra  oxygen  floating  around.  They   both  have  free  oxygen.  What's  the  difference?  If  you're  going  to  put  one   or  the  other  in  your  mouth  or  somewhere  in  your  body,  why  wouldn't   people  just  use  hydrogen  peroxide  which  you  can  buy  for  $2  at  the   drugstore.     Nadine:   That's  a  good  question.  I  feel  like  I'm  always  the  one  to  do  more.  I  feel   like  more  is  merrier.  Hydrogen  peroxide  is  also  amazing  but  again  you   have  to  use  that  carefully  because  it  can  be  quite  astringent  and  you   would  want  to  use  it  actually  at  a  diluted  rate  of  1%.  It  is  really  good.  It's   a  natural  whitener.  It's  not  something  I  recommend  to  do  everyday,   though,  because  it  can  pull  back  the  gums  a  bit  from  the  astringent   reaction.  We  want  to  keep  our  gums  really  healthy  and  around  each   tooth.  I  recommend  doing  it  once  a  month,  maybe  once  a  week,  if  you're   trying  to  get  the  teeth  whiter.       A  really  neat  thing  that  you  can  do  at  home  is  just  take  like  a  teaspoon  of   your  diluted  1%  hydrogen  peroxide  and  then  put  a  teaspoon  of  baking   soda.  Those  are  loose  measurements.  You  mix  up  together  and  you  let  it   evaporate.  Just  leave  it  in  a  jar  and  leave  it  open.  It'll  evaporate  in  a  few   hours.  Then  you  have  a  dry,  very  potent,  sort  of  baking  soda  powder  and   then  you  brush  your  teeth.  I  like  to  use  two  types  of  toothbrushes:  a   manual  and  a  round-­‐headed  electric,  just  really  inexpensive  $25  one.   Because  the  round  head  can  get  back  further  and  then  you're  not  really   focusing  on  the  gums,  just  going  to  focus  on  the  teeth.       Then  you  will  polish  them.  I  think  it  like  the  janitor  that  would  do  the   high  school  gym  floors.  You're  just  looking  at  this  as  like  a  buffing,   polishing  stage.  That's  really  good  for  removing  old  plaque  and  getting   the  teeth  white.  It's  a  good  part  where  hydrogen  peroxide  can  come  in.   8 Bulletproof Toolbox Podcast #248, Nadine Artemis Once  again,  hydrogen  peroxide  is  able  to  handle  and  tidy  up  the   pathogens  without  destroying  the  good  bacteria.     Dave:   I'm  going  to  ask  you  about  one  of  these  things  that  I  do  on  occasionally,   maybe  every  3  months.  I  get  food  grade  diatomaceous  earth,  which  is   incredibly  abrasive.  I  put  a  little  bit  of  the  XCT  Oil  that  we  have,  which  is   basically,  it  has  topical  like  bacterial  properties  and  stuff.  Then  I'm  using   my  electric  toothbrush  and  I  polish  my  teeth  with  it  for  10  seconds  and   it  totally  removes  all  the  stains,  hasn't  seem  to  cause  problems  in  a  long   time  of  doing  that.  That's  similar  to  the  polishing  agent  that  a  dentist   uses.  Is  there  any  reason  people  shouldn't  be  doing  this?  Because  it   seems  to  work.     Nadine:   I  think  that's  a  great  idea  to  use  clays.  I  mean,  you  could  even  do  that   same  thing  and  use  your  activated  charcoal  product   Dave:   I  do  that,  too,  for  sure.  Actually,  charcoal  isn't  so  abrasive.  I  can  do  that   more  often.  It  takes  the  stains  off.  The  other  stuff,  it's  like  it’ll  get  rid  of   tartar  on  the  back  of  your  teeth  if  you  wanted  to  but  you  could  also   could  grind  your  teeth  away  if  you  did  it  too  much.     Nadine:   I  think  because  you  have  the  oil  with  it  though.  That's  a  really  good  lube.     Dave:   It's  amazing.  I  don't  have  the  world's  whitest  teeth  naturally.  I  just  have   like  quite  brown  teeth  and  they're  much  better  than  they  used  to  be  but   I  also  don't  do  a  lot  of  the  laser…  the  cosmetic  dentistry  thing.  I  don't   really  know  all  those  stuff  they  do,  but  like  laser  is  in  paint  or  Bondo,   whatever  they  do  on  the  front,  like  they  put  fake  teeth  on  top  of  mine.  I   haven't  done  any  of  that  stuff.  It's  interesting  though  just  so  you  can  do   naturally.       I  also  use,  this  was  a  while  back.  I  realized  it  wasn't  working  but  I  used   to  make  my  own  mouthwash.  I'm  like,  "All  right.  Let's  kill  everything."  I   would  take  vodka  and  I  would  take  xylitol,  which  is  something  that   inhibits  bacterial  growth  in  the  mouth,  and  then  some  essential  oils.  I'd   shake  it  up.  I  noticed  when  I  would  use  it,  it  took  me  6  months  to  figure   it  out,  when  I  use  these,  I'd  wake  up  with  the  world's  driest  eyes,  super   dry  eyes.  Do  you  know  what's  going  on  there?  Because  I  quit  doing  it  for   9 Bulletproof Toolbox Podcast #248, Nadine Artemis that  reason  and  there's  some  other  reasons  to  no  do  that.  Tell  me  what  I   was  doing  wrong  there.     Nadine:   I  do  think  it's  alcohol.  I  do  think  when  we're  doing  mouthwashes,  we   don't  want  to  use  alcohol  at  all  even  if  it's  a  really  great  alcohol  because   it  is  drying  and  that  is  shifting  the  microbiome.  Why?  I  feel  like  the   amount  is  totally  connected  up  to  the  body.  It's  very  neat  that  your  eyes   went  dry.  I  can't  totally  speak  to  that  on  a  scientific  level  but  it's  all   connected.     Dave:   I'm  guessing  it  had  something  to  do  with  nitric  oxide  and  I  read   something  about  it  eventually.  Because  we  have  these  bacteria  in  our   mouth  that  make  nitric  oxide  which  just  causes  better  circulation.  That's   my  working  theory.  I  had  no  idea  for  sure  why.  I  probably  never  will   know  but  it  was  repeatable.  I  could  not  rinse  and  I  wake  up  with  normal   eyes.  I  could  rinse  and  they  would  get  dry.  It  was  one  of  those  things   that  you  wouldn't  think  of  unless  you're  one  of  those  walking  event   correlation  engines  like  me  where  you  just  notice  stuff  and  see  if  they're   related.     Nadine:   That's  what  I  like  to  do.     Dave:   You  do  and,  in  fact,  you  have  a  quote  from  your  book  where  you  said,   "The  system  of  treating  symptoms  creates  a  perpetual  loop  of   appointments,  medications,  surgeries,  scrapings,  bridges,  crowns,  and   fillings  that  never  reaches  the  underlying  root  causes  of  the  symptoms   leading  to  the  statistic  that  90%  of  60-­‐year  olds  will  have  63%  of  their   teeth  missing,  filled,  or  decayed."  It's  like  eating  a  low  fat  diet.  Everyone   gets  fat  doing  that  but  we  just  keep  doing  it.  Now,  you're  saying  that   90%  of  60-­‐year  olds  who  do  what  their  dentist  said,  which  is  floss  and   brush  with  these  chemicals  and  put  fluoride  all  over  the  place,  that   basically  more  than  half  your  teeth  are  going  to  break  by  the  time  you're   only  60,  which  is  like  a  third  of  where  you  should  be  living  if  you're   under  60  now  and  you're  in  good  health  and  you're  planning  to  live  like   that.  We  have  technology  now.     Nadine:   Yes,  and  then  it  also  shows  like  if  you  had  followed  through  with  that   dental  appointment.  I  mean  it's  not  like  every  one  of  those  60-­‐year  olds   10